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Old 04-23-2009, 06:43 AM   #1
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Edit: I originally posted this without an introduction, and, well I found this place can be a bit unforgiving for newbies. Anyway, I should have prefaced the question with: Hello, I'm entering the field of weatherization and energy retrofitting and I'm doing a practice audit for a client to get some practical in the field experience...

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Client has a kitchen with a window bay at the sink area. On the outside of the home, this area is exposed on all sides as wood (home is brick). I believe that perhaps the insulation in this extruded area is insufficient.

The client indicates that when standing at her sink, the area all around her is much colder/hotter than the rest of the kitchen. She says there is cold/hot air coming from the cabinet under the sink. There is a dishwasher to the left of the sink.

Looking for comments on my suggestions below:

1) Apply Spray foam or denim batts to the rear wall of the sink cabinet. Can this be left open or should we cover the insulation with a piece of luan or plywood?

2) Remove dishwasher and apply spray foam to the cavity and wall behind dishwasher.

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Client has a kitchen with a extruded wall window bay at the sink area. On the outside of the home, this area is exposed on all sides as wood (home is brick). I believe that perhaps the insulation in this extruded area is insufficient.........
Extruded aluminum?
Extruded vinyl?
Extruded foam?
What?????

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Wood with wood siding. See attachment below...

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Your speciality is listed as INSULATION AND WEATHERIZATION, you should be telling us how to handle this situation. G
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It is a protrusion, a
bump out, a bay, but it is
not an extrusion.
It is not extruded.

I have the same question as Gene.
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I have subcontractors that do the work. I manage the client relationship. Just trying to get an understanding of what to expect.

Thanks for the help.
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Hmmm...Something smells rotten in Denmark...

About now you're wondering why we're busting your balls...

The math is not adding up though. As was asked, how can you sell/specify "energy retrofit" work without knowing what you're doing?

If it were me, I'd punch a hole through the back of the cabinet into the window bay (assuming the cabinet doesn't step into this space) and fill it completely up with blown cellulose.
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If it were me, I'd punch a hole through the back of the cabinet into the window bay (assuming the cabinet doesn't step into this space) and fill it completely up with blown cellulose.
Thanks ChrWright, that's actually helpful information. Yes, I'm just beginning in this field so I'm sure I don't have the terms down (extrusion vs bay, etc) and yes you're busting my balls, right of passage I suppose.

I'm doing practice audits while awaiting my slot for Resnet HERS rater training.

I guess you have to already know the answers before asking for help here?

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Thanks ChrWright, that's actually helpful information. Yes, I'm just beginning in this field so I'm sure I don't have the terms down (extrusion vs bay, etc) and yes you're busting my balls, right of passage I suppose.

I'm doing practice audits while awaiting my slot for Resnet HERS rater training.

I guess you have to already know the answers before asking for help here?
You have to sound like you're not
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True that...
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I see. You guys are obviously way too smart for the likes of my kind...

Mod, please delete my account. Way too sensitive a group in this this thread for my tastes...
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Lighten up Francis... If you're going to deal with contractors for a living, you'll need thicker skin that that...

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