Dorman Painting

I'm doing a rather large interior repaint in Prospect, Louisville's most prominent neighborhood, and SW's Super Paint is becoming a PITA.

Now I've always loved SP for it's coverage and that's the main reason I bought it for this particular job. I always expect to double coat most of my repaints to achieve a great looking finish, but I don't expect to triple coat the SOB. I've triple coated two of the five colors we used, one being SW's Innocence and SW's Jersey Cream. The Innocence color(a pink), was going over a medium purple and the Jersey Cream(a sort of very light yellow) was going over a medium green color. Another light blue color we double coated over a darker blue and honestly, it barely covered in two heavy coats.

Here's the deal fellas, I called my sales rep this morning and told him the situation. He calls me back and says that they've changed the formula to fit new 2010 regulations regarding new VOC laws. This is just BS, that was SW's best covering interior paint and now it seems to be crap. Anyone else having trouble with Super Paint?

WisePainter

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sheesh...I still claim operator error.

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StefanC

Superpaint has gone downhill since last year or so.

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DMMConstruction

Yea, I herd about the laws, but did n't think the quality would change

sparehair

I was doing an apartment in december with super paint and I couldn't paint a white wall white with one coat. Sucked. The paint smells just like Kilz latex primer and it performed just about the same.

ProWallGuy

You had some very obvious color changes, lights going over darks. Why didn't you prime first?

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Mr. Mike

You have two colors that you are having a problem with.

Yellows sometimes take 3 coats, being that the can has a lot of pigment in it the paint slides more than white exc... Also going over the color that you said would make a yellow next to impossible to cover in 2 coats. And for the pink it is in the red family and would have a lot of pigment in it as well so the same applies to reds and yellows. A primer could be needed for the first coat over a purple or green unless you waited a full 24 hours between coats and even then its a coin flip. The other color you mentioned blue has a ton of pigment in it also. Not all colors have as much pigment as yellow, green, red and this could be why 2 out of 5 rooms are sucking for you.

Sorry bud hope you understand better, When I did not know what covered well and what did not I charged per coat, never lost that way...

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Dorman Painting

I understand what some of you are saying about the color change over and certain colors being pigment loaded. But I've made some of these exact same color change overs in the past with two coat coverage.

They've changed the formula and it's very noticable to me, my sales rep told me about this yesterday. Reducing certain vehicles in the product for VOC laws, is killing the coverage ability of the product IMO.

Dave Mac

Priming is to create a surface for the the paint to adhear to. Primers have less coverage ability then real paint. Unless it is a raw surface, there is no reason to use primer paint. imo

ProWallGuy

I disagree. If I have a dark surface, and need to cover it with a light color, you can be sure I will prime it with a white first. Primer is cheaper than finish paint.

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Traditions2

If I am covering a dark color I normally don't prime it white.

Paul Painter

Sounds like they have reduced the amount of raw titium dioxide in their paints to save money,compare the solids in their old specs compared to now.We have had same problem in Canada in recent years with Benj moore and color your world (ICI)..I had to find a company that didnt crap out on the solids..I found Para Paints to be decent,soon we will always have to prime first all jobs no matter what the color change.Para has a self priming line,I can still double coat over existing color without priming. Advise is find another paint dealer and get the rep to give you free paint to finish this job,no one told you they changed formula of paint,thats what I did on a job where the coverage sucked.,,then I dropped them completely..they lost $7000 of my paint busniess.

WisePainter

Super Paint at one time could cover a dark with a light in one coat all day long with no problems.

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Dave Mac

Regular wall paint flat finish, will cover better then any primer imo,

Dorman Painting

Wise you're absolutely correct, this is what is so frustrating for us pros who use the stuff now. Last year it was GREAT paint, now they go tinkering with formulas and it's like Kmart special.

All paint companies are going to have to reformulate their products to fit the new laws. I'll start bidding jobs 15% higher than normal, I'm not going to start losing money because of these laws.

spectrum

Damn, and they do this without informing us we buy it thinking it will cover

I just bought SP for an exterior job for coverage reason primed first and still have to double coat! I would have gone Duration if I would of known this.

WisePainter

I brought this up with the Manager at my home store and he hasn't yet received any complaints, then again we are in an area where the higher VOC levels are acceptable and most original formulas are intact.
Yay midwest...except for the still being able to smoke in restaurants.

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