What Primer For Wood Bleed Through

Humble Abode

I agree, it's too brittle when it dries and will crack prematurely. Unlike oil and latex which will give a little as the substrate expands and contracts.

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boman47k

Well the part about using it for exterior spot priming does throw me off a little. Seems if it could be used for spot priming, it could be used for more than spots or small areas.

Brushslingers

I'd have to agree with Teetor on this one, ,although I give a strong YAY to BIN, it's not a fix for latex already on the varnished wood... it will have to be scraped back unless to want to give a 30/30 warranty....

30 feet/ 30 seconds.

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Traditions

Teetor, you said latex over oil is a no no. Don't people spot prime exteriors all the time with oils, then come back over with a latex?

Teetorbilt

Traditions, interesting that you should bring this up as I just spent the best part of today pressure washing my house due to a new problem.

In the past, the majority of the problems involved the latex reacting with the oil and producing a wrinkle finish. The minor problems involved the latex loosening in small sheets.

Today's problem involved Cover-Stain. Apparently the primer contracted and actually 'pulled' the latex off. I examined some of the chips under a microscope and the primary layer showed quite a few wood fibers well adhered. I saved a bunch of them and will be discussing this with Zinsser.

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slickshift

Usually that's due to the oil not being dry enough

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Teetorbilt

Elaborate Slick. I know how to 'dry' oil but I expect an oil based primer to work from the can. Adding a dryer could even make things worse.

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Traditions

I'm confused teetor? Is it not ok to use oil as a primer then topcoat with latex?

Humble Abode

I do it all the time... I was under the impression it was the preferred method.

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Brushslingers

It's latex over oil, never oil over latex... the oil will "trap" the moisture from the water based paint beneath and rust/rot whatever is under it... the other way around is ok, but I recommend most oil lovers to get over it soon.

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slickshift

It's OK
It's actually necessary at times
A very common procedure

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slickshift

Most of the times I've run into wrinkling and/or sliding off of oil-primer is the oil-primer hasn't had long enough to dry
You'd think overnight would be fine, but with humidity, fog banks, dew, and temp drops, it's not always the case

I never (well, rarely) add anything to oil-primer so I can't speak for that

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boman47k

Can moisture pushing the oil off the substrate takiing the latex with it be ruled out?

slickshift

In all the cases I investigated last year the primer held fast

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slickshift

I've used it for spot priming for decades
Sometimes the spot is a 3 foot piece of (new) replaced rake board that I'm not coming back tomorrow (when the other kind of primer dries) to paint
No worries

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Humble Abode

http://www.zinsser.com/PDF/TDB/BIN.pdf

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KentWhitten

I'm not a painter by trade, but when I have had bleed through (white pine is AWFUL) Bin Zinser (sp?) is the ONLY thing I will use. Shellac based primer covers everything. And just for interior BTW, spot prime only for exterior

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this is good for bleeding in wood