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Old 04-13-2011, 09:47 AM   #1
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What Do You Think Of KILZ?


Hello Everyone!

I lead the new product development efforts at Masterchem / KILZ and would like to ask you for your thoughts on our products.

This is an "anything goes" request... the good, the bad the ugly I would like to hear it all.

Your opinions are a vital part of our product development efforts and I appreciate you taking the time to provide them!

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Old 04-13-2011, 06:01 PM   #2
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Re: What Do You Think Of KILZ?


I only use the Oil base for priming water stains on interior ceilings. The new formula (out for a year or so?) needs to be hit twice and now flashes 60% of the time. Other than that we really don't use it.

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I used to think of Kilz as a product that would seal stains prior to painting. The latex version doesn't do that, at least not well. I once used the oil base to seal pet urine stains on a plywood sub-floor. About a year ago I tried that with latex kilz. About 6 coats later I gave up.
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Behr Paint and Primer in one!!! Nuff Said!!!!

Seriously though, I would have to agree with the above statements. The latex Kilz just doesn't cut it.
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i agree too, the latex kilz does not cover water stains the way it should. and the flashing is a pain to deal with too. never had problems with the oil based though.
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I have not seen any latex that covers water stains as per the claim....
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Hello Everyone!

I lead the new product development efforts at Masterchem / KILZ and would like to ask you for your thoughts on our products.

This is an "anything goes" request... the good, the bad the ugly I would like to hear it all.

Your opinions are a vital part of our product development efforts and I appreciate you taking the time to provide them!

Sincerely,
Darren Stoddart
Darren. I've been using kilz oil exclusively as a stain blocking primer for 15 years.
I have not one thing bad to say about it. It's never let us down.
And, I have certainly put it to the test. From hurricane damage to using it on every popcorn removal job I've done (hundreds).

Even Nicotine:--->Nicotine Before and After photo's

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Removing the popcorn texture:


After the ceilings were redone and the walls were painted:

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Kilz 2 premium is a great product been using it as our everyday primer for sometime. The oil base has been in our line up for years.... As for water stains even Bin doesn't always cover in one coat. The trick is the longer you let the primer dry the more it will stop the bleed.

I know time is money but ya gota do what ya got to do....
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The trick is the longer you let the primer dry the more it will stop the bleed.

I know time is money but ya gota do what ya got to do....
You are right there , the more it cures the better.
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if you paint a second coat too quickly of the kilz2 it will peel back off the wall. had that happen at my house..
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I saw those pictures on the original post yesterday, that looks like one nasty job!

Glad the product is working well for you and the finish coat looks great!
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You're absolutely right... all of the water based stain blockers from KILZ work far better if they have an extended cure period before re-coating or top coating.
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I used to think of Kilz as a product that would seal stains prior to painting. The latex version doesn't do that, at least not well. I once used the oil base to seal pet urine stains on a plywood sub-floor. About a year ago I tried that with latex kilz. About 6 coats later I gave up.
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I have been using kilz for years... even lost my 'get high off paint' virginity with Kilz as a teen ager working for my dad. However, as of late, the new oil base kilz available here in Buffalo NY, to be honest. The stuff sucks. I finally used up the rest of the old stock (my dad used to buy Kilz by the pallet for plaster work) and I had to go buy kilz at home depot about a year ago. The new stuff, vs what I had from the 1990's. No comparison.

However as far as latex primers go, I wont even bother with the latex kilz. total waste of time and money. The one product that I have found to really work well as a primer, is Gripper, by Glidden. That stuff doesnt even want to come off of glass.
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I'm painting rooms that had water damage from Ice dams (now has a new roof..no ice dams)

I used the Latex and the stains kept bleeding through.
I went to Sherwin Williams to ask John, my paint Guru.
He said the difference in the alcohol and latex is that the alcohol will set up quicker and seal the stain.
The latex draws moisture and doesn't seal the stain before the moisture comes to the surface.

mmmmm made sense. Got the alcohol based...1st coat...gone!!!!!!

Different purposes for different products......
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I have been using kilz for years... even lost my 'get high off paint' virginity with Kilz as a teen ager working for my dad. However, as of late, the new oil base kilz available here in Buffalo NY, to be honest. The stuff sucks. I finally used up the rest of the old stock (my dad used to buy Kilz by the pallet for plaster work) and I had to go buy kilz at home depot about a year ago. The new stuff, vs what I had from the 1990's. No comparison.

However as far as latex primers go, I wont even bother with the latex kilz. total waste of time and money. The one product that I have found to really work well as a primer, is Gripper, by Glidden. That stuff doesnt even want to come off of glass.
What do you find to be the biggest weakness of our water based product?
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My paint store doesnt sell kilz, I always use Zinnser oil. I have been turned off of kilz for years just because I am tired of hearing clueless homeowners asking "you gonna kilz that first?", thinking everything needs a coat of oil based primer. After being told by a homeowners friend that my job of painting a ceiling (a tan ceiling that I was painting blue) would have looked much better if I would have kilz'd it first I came up with a new slogan for them
"Kilz, making primer for people who have no clue what primer is for since 19xx"
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in addition to it not being a great stain blocker, the water based stuff separates far too quickly. as a handyman i dip into a 2 gallon bucket every other week or so and it needs much more remixing than other latex primers. glidden's primer works better for me all around.
i'll use latex killz instead of pva because it's about the same cost and i like it more, but that's about it.
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Sort of like a poll this is,,, I've never been inclined to Kilz, Unless they changed things, I just stick to Bulls eye, 123, for an extra tough primer, It has a sheen so I can keep the eggshell or semi gloss not too far away, it say's it is Ok for exterior, for super stick, stain killing and recoat in an hour. I don't believe half of it but at least I'm not waiting four to five. Usually I want it for over fast dry plasters that I think need a better quality primer. Kilz just seems like drywall primer with a fancy name. I usually opt for Bin when I want stain killing or super stick for trim. What is it with paint companies that have three lines when one will do, doesn`t that increase the cost for stocking a shelf

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