What To Do?

Miller

Wondering if others have had this request? The HO is requesting to have his solid stain stripped and then wants to go with Semi. The deck was stained way too late in the season last yr. and is flaking every where and looks like ****! What have others done in the past on something like this. I know i would have to get all of the solid stain off, if i wanted to do this and that sounds like a pita!! Is there a easy way of taking care of this? Any advice would be helpful on this..

Also doesn't help that the HO does not know what was used on his deck! Was a home that was Forclosed..


Thanks...

ModernStyle

Use chemical strippers and be prepared to sand. There used to be a guy who was great at decks who posted here, I havent seen him in awhile though.

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NAV

If you plan on stripping it i agree you should use chemicals - Deck stripper might work, if not there is PeelAway (super messy) or ICI Hydrostrip (you got to talk to a rep to see what Hydrostrip to use again- messy) any way you go, if you strip you better not give a hard number - Time and Material is the only way to go on a project like that.

Strippers will probably kill all the vegetation around the deck - dont forget to tell them that.

I would tell him - power wash and coat with solid color again. it will be 1/3 the cost.

WisePainter

Solid color stains penetrate the surface and embed the pigment. You have your work cut out for you.

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Miller

Thanks for the responses.. I kind of figured this job would be a PITA and i told the HO that sticking with Solid would save him a lot of $$ and going with SEMI would be a mess and may not even turn out as good as he wants. I will be talking to the HO more today and guess we will see what happens. If others have done this before, any advice or tips would really help. I'm really just hoping he sticks with the solid...

ModernStyle

I went on a bid once and the lady had stained her deck with Cabot's solid, she used a tint base with no tint, it looked kinda like a mustard color.
She tells me she wants it done with the same product, so I give her a price to wash and re-coat the deck. She then asks me if i have done any decks she could look at, I tell her sure 3 doors down was a deck that I stained with a natural cedar toner. I get a call from her a few days later, she wants me to do the deck, but she wants it to look the same as her neighbors, I tell her it can be done but that the price would be a lot higher. She gets mad and tells me that I will be doing her deck on Friday and that I will do it just like her neighbors for the price I quoted her for the solid stain. I try to explain to her that there will be alot more work involved and there is no way I can even cover all of the additional materials with the original price. I tell her I will not do it, she says I will or I will be sorry for lying to her. She called me 10 times a day for 3 months before she gave up thinking she could somehow bully me into doing it, I drove by her house the other day, the deck hasn't been touched.
Stripping decks isn't easy, too bad more people don't realize that solid stains and latex paint are better on siding then on decks.

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WisePainter

As a professional that is up to you to make that decision. The decision that is best for your reputation and skill level.
I never allow the customer to choose the correct materials/product once they have called me to do the job. I personally would insist on a solid color at this point because seriously, you are having to fix a mistake you did not make. If the customer does not respect your opinion as a professional, then maybe they will accept the large bill that covers removing the old material and applying the correct material.
Go get 'em slugger...

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slickshift

Yup, it's a PITA


It's heavy, slow, and you better have set every single one of the nails as those screens are not cheap
And you'll still have a boatload of palm sanding, or even hand sanding, to do where that thing won't go

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slickshift

Like you pull at a flaking piece and it's rubbery and stuff?
Might be that lovely Behr Solid
That'd be the icing on the cake
That stuff won't chemical strip at all, and gums up the machine real nice

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slickshift

Overbid it like you've never overbid before

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vandyandsons

I agree with several who have posted before me.

-Chemical strip first
-Neutralize the deck to kill the stripping agents that have penetrated into the grain.
-Pressure wash
-Properly apply finishes)

Check with your SW rep about their deck products for product guidance. Strip it and wash it on a T&M basis.
It will not be perfect but you can get the exixting color out about 90% anyway.
Don't warranty this,
Good luck

Miller

Talked to the HO today and tried to explain no matter how much sanding and stripping i do, this may still not turn out the way he expected or wanted and that Solid would be his best choice at this point. Gave him a real High price and gave him the T & M option. He told me his neighbor owned a painting business and would take care of it, the way he wanted it done.. I said that was fine and wished him the best of luck.. I know times our tough but i would rather not do a job like this, if i wasn't going to be happy with the end result. Win some and lose some and then there are some you just don't care if you don't get.. It happens....Thanks for all the advice..

WisePainter

You are a true professional.

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TrimmanVa

off the subject, wisepainter seems to be a wiseass as well, lol

ModernStyle

Sorry it didnt work out for you man. Sometimes it is better to walk away then to risk your time and reputation on something like that. Besides if his neighbor is a painter like he says then the odds are he was just using you to make sure the neighbor was giving him a good deal. This time next year I can bet the deck is peeling again. There are more guys out there who would just scrape it with a putty knife and throw on another coat then there are guys who would do it right.

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yeah probably.

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EricTheHandyman

I've stripped a few of these solid color decks, and yes, they are a major PITA. However, they are do-able.

1. Use a chemical stripper to get most of it off,
2. Neutralize the stripper & powerwash
3. Be prepared to sand off the rest, especially on the spindles
4. Apply penetrating stain
5. Receive accolades and a big fat check.

Like anything, make sure you are bidding high enough for the time you will spend, and teach the customer that in the future all they will have to do is wash the deck and re stain.

Last year, I did a 12x14 deck with stairs, railings, and spindles in this manner and it took 21 hours for the entire job.

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