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POOLMANinCT · 02-20-2007, 03:53 PM

hi guys, painted a spare bedroom last weekend,

red,, and it came out like sh*T , i put on 3 coats,

a runny mess it looked like my walls were bleeding..
btw i bought the paint at home depot, about 22 bucks a gallon.. the same paint i used in other rooms whihc look good to my untrained eye (dif color)

anyway it was so bad after it dried, i ended up sanding it smooth & painted it some orangey tan color, now it looks good...

my mom (btw she is a nurse not a painter) stopped by & told me she only uses ben moore paint , and thats what i get for being cheap...

i asked a buddy of mine (he is a suit btw) and he said he heard unless you are a pro stay away from red, purples & dark greens...

any what? WAT UP WITH DAT?

ty ray

**ProWallGuy** · 02-20-2007, 04:16 PM

A. probably didn't use a primer

B. definitely used crappy paint, regardless of cost

C. probably used wrong size roller cover

D. probably didn't use good roller technique

E. flunky at HD might have mixed it wrong, IE deep color in pastel base

F. the suit was right, deep tones are the toughest to make look good

G. you shoulda hired a painter

H. all of the above

Workaholic · 02-20-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ProWallGuy

A. probably didn't use a primer

B. definitely used crappy paint, regardless of cost

C. probably used wrong size roller cover

D. probably didn't use good roller technique

E. flunky at HD might have mixed it wrong, IE deep color in pastel base

F. the suit was right, deep tones are the toughest to make look good

G. you shoulda hired a painter

H. all of the above

Yep

POOLMANinCT · 02-20-2007, 04:23 PM

yep A-H

thanks

ray

concretemasonry · 02-20-2007, 04:39 PM

Wrong choice of color too!!!

Deep tones are tough and red is without a doubt the worst. You just cannot get enough pigment into the paint, no mater what color.

I used top shelf professional paint knowing red was notorious. Tinted primer (two coats). Then 4 coats of a very deep red. It looked good finally.

Just to make sure, I added another and it was much deeper and richer looking.

Be prepared when you try to do a deep red!

Brushslingers · 02-20-2007, 05:01 PM

Actually, it's simply a prime color... red green yellow blue. Any of those are hard without the proper knowledge. Next time, prime with gray and your red will look good without 6 coats.

**slickshift** · 02-20-2007, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProWallGuy

A. probably didn't use a primer

B. definitely used crappy paint, regardless of cost

C. probably used wrong size roller cover

D. probably didn't use good roller technique

E. flunky at HD might have mixed it wrong, IE deep color in pastel base

F. the suit was right, deep tones are the toughest to make look good

G. you shoulda hired a painter

H. all of the above

Yeppers

It's not that you should stay away from red
But it's not an easy color to make look good
But even if you had C or D, you might have gotten away with it if you had a good paint and had tint primed
With that crappy paint a red was doomed from the start
With either A, B. or E, there's just no way

Robert S · 02-20-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by concretemasonry

Wrong choice of color too!!!

Deep tones are tough and red is without a doubt the worst. You just cannot get enough pigment into the paint, no mater what color.

I used top shelf professional paint knowing red was notorious. Tinted primer (two coats). Then 4 coats of a very deep red. It looked good finally.

Just to make sure, I added another and it was much deeper and richer looking.

Be prepared when you try to do a deep red!

i agree red is the worst.and yea if you use to mutch of a roller it wants to pull the paint off.

Danahy · 02-21-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Brushslingers

Actually, it's simply a prime color... red green yellow blue. Any of those are hard without the proper knowledge. Next time, prime with gray and your red will look good without 6 coats.

Big ol' ditto on this...

Also, on BM's palletes, all colours in the index show the LRV number... choose a grey primer that has the same LRV number (or within 1 or 2 points), and you'll love it after the first coat of red... you'll still need to do 2 maybe even 3 for kicks, but it's takes away the "will it work factor"

**slickshift** · 02-21-2007, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Brushslingers

Next time, prime with gray and your red will look good without 6 coats.

True
The Behr might only need 5
...I'm not kidding

But the BM Regal should be 2, 3 tops or SW Deep Colors should be 2

paintr56 · 02-22-2007, 07:57 AM

Deep reds are the very worst. The runs were your fault the lack of coverage was the colors fault. HD does not sell good paint but even with top shelf paint some colors do not cover well.

Jim Bunton

hallsey111 · 02-22-2007, 08:30 PM

That new ben moore line, aura is the old details line . I tested it up against the ben moore aqua velvet
aqua velvet: 6 coats cherry red
details: 2 coats. If i played with it, coulda got it in one, seriously. 45.00 a can though.

LNG24 · 03-17-2007, 08:19 AM

I've gotten real good with Reds and OH GOD....Pinks! My first Red wall, Thankfully it was mine, I primed with a pink primer then began to roll the wall after it dried. The red began to slide off the wall as it dried. I am sure it was defective paint as that never happened to me. I ended up scraping off the loose stuff and adding another coat. Amazingly, I eneded up with a Leather Look. Three coats later it looked like leather, but really nice.

No I only prime with a grey and yes, I have never had to do less than 4 and more than 6, but they are beautiful. I can deal with red alot better than Pink and I don't think I will ever do a Flourcent Green again. Made me sick just being in that room. FYI: Pinks and Greens were not on my house

MakDeco · 03-17-2007, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hallsey111

That new ben moore line, aura is the old details line . I tested it up against the ben moore aqua velvet
aqua velvet: 6 coats cherry red
details: 2 coats. If i played with it, coulda got it in one, seriously. 45.00 a can though.

I never heard of details line. I was told to believe that Aura is completely new with new tinting machine. Tints are to be Low VOC similar to European paints. Its hard to believe anyone in the paint retail/manufacturing business side of things these days.

Workaholic · 03-17-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MakDeco

I never heard of details line. I was told to believe that Aura is completely new with new tinting machine. Tints are to be Low VOC similar to European paints. Its hard to believe anyone in the paint retail/manufacturing business side of things these days.

So true.

VAinteriors · 03-17-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MakDeco

I never heard of details line. I was told to believe that Aura is completely new with new tinting machine. Tints are to be Low VOC similar to European paints. Its hard to believe anyone in the paint retail/manufacturing business side of things these days.

I'm pretty sure that Details was just the name they were using when they were testing the product. Details was only in my market for 18 months or so, but I think they're going to convert to Aura soon.

Robert S · 03-17-2007, 08:57 PM

lol reminds me of when i was starting off a lady called me to do a bathroom in a ugly green like lime flouresent i primed with origanel kils and painted on the green it slide like hell but it didnt mater because i was still buzzing from the kilz with no ventalation.lol

dirt diggler · 03-18-2007, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POOLMANinCT

hi guys, painted a spare bedroom last weekend,

red,, and it came out like sh*T , i put on 3 coats,

a runny mess it looked like my walls were bleeding..
btw i bought the paint at home depot, about 22 bucks a gallon.. the same paint i used in other rooms whihc look good to my untrained eye (dif color)

anyway it was so bad after it dried, i ended up sanding it smooth & painted it some orangey tan color, now it looks good...

my mom (btw she is a nurse not a painter) stopped by & told me she only uses ben moore paint , and thats what i get for being cheap...

i asked a buddy of mine (he is a suit btw) and he said he heard unless you are a pro stay away from red, purples & dark greens...

any what? WAT UP WITH DAT?

ty ray

nice kick pele

hahahah

Red Canary · 03-18-2007, 09:13 PM

Behr paint sucks . . . hate the big box stores . . . I did a wall once, with Behr, deep red tone, 5 coats and could still see "shine thru"--even used a primer. I recommend Benjamin Moore paints, either contractor grade or Regal works well with red tones--with a primer, I can get 2 coat coverage with the paint over a primer tinted the same color as the paint. If my customer insists on Behr paint, I usually figure it will take me double the amount of paint to cover completely vs. a higher end product.

Brushslingers · 03-18-2007, 09:24 PM

5 coats.. heh, I have a good story about that too, did a doctors office windows last year, speced acripro... he bought behr. Five coats later.... Needless to say after a huge argument, I told him to buy ONE QUART of what I speced to begin with and I would do a final coat... looks great still.

Lesson learned? Don't let people buy thier own even when speced.