Venetian/Marmarino Plasters

PlasterMaster

OK guys, since I know many painters around Chicago think they are plasterers because they use venetian plaster, let me know what you guys think of it and your experiences with it. I've taught seminars in a few different states on these products but would like to know how you guys are handling trying these products. I know many painters I talk to think that they can use a 6'' taping knife and a car buffer to get a great product with this , but I'd like to know what you guys have to say. Experiences with this stuff? Questions on this stuff? Look forward to your replies.

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Exroadog

I prefer to apply my lime with the stainless Pavan trowel personally. I also burnish the lime with it on the last coat and get a glass finish.
I once knew a plasterer that thought he was a painter because he knew which end of the brush to use!!
So where do you get your lime from? Favorite Syn.?

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PlasterMaster

My products all come from Italy. Best products available. Atova international is very helpful and their service is the best in our area (chicago). Look them up if you want. Their website is a bit hard to get around and a bit confusing at first but after about an hour of looking you will hopefully get the hang of what the site is all about.

I agree with you about the paint brush statement. The problem Ive always had with the venetian and marmarinos is that it is a PLASTER PRODUCT that is troweled on not brushed on. Therefore it is the plasterer's work, not painters. But I will admit, I do find humor in watching many painters try to use a trowel. LOL Just as Im sure you do watching many plasterers try to paint. By the way, I chose to use chrome plated trowels (venetian trowels). It doesnt leave a darker burn look when burnishing (if you have done plenty you will know what Im talking about), and you can float with them in certain applications without those unsightly looking grey streaks often left by stainless steal trowel when exact pressure isnt applied. Also instead of burnishing by troweling, you can also float on the chrome edge and get the same shine without troweling your shoulder off. One trick 99% dont know about. I can easily burnish 800-1000 sq/ft in a day float burnishing, or one can break their shoulder trying to burnish 200 sq/ft in a day by normal hard troweling.

KellyPainting

Plaster alot of interior.. fix holes / ceiling cracks and even skim coat walls and texture ceilings... never got into anything fancy.. just Mudd, joint compound.. blue top is prefered.. maybe thats why I'm only a painter and not a plasterer.

Exroadog

"The problem Ive always had with the venetian and marmarinos is that it is a PLASTER PRODUCT that is troweled on not brushed on. Therefore it is the plasterer's work, not painters."

So help me out here, stucco mantavano (slaked lime and marble dust) is applied with a brush, and then troweled. Who gets this one?!!!
On the east coast, decorative plasters, in the union (IUPAT) are applied by painters.? I did'nt make the rules.
No I havnt tried Atova, but have heard they are quality product.
Never tried the chrome trowel but also never had a real problem with the stainless. The Pavan trapazoid (venetian trowel) because of the curved edges, burnishing is done very lightly. No strain at all.

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PlasterMaster

Exroad, in chicago, any wall space that is gone over with a trowel is considered plasterers work. Using a brush to create certain textures in a plaster isnt considered painting a wall. As far as the stainless steel goes, you would only know the difference if you ever used a chrome trowel. I cant explain it to you any more then I did previously other then with what I stated. As for the burnishing with the trap trowels, they all burnish the same way basically weather it be a 9 1/2'' or 11'' trap trowel or even a 7 1/2'' midget type trowel with rounded edges made for venetians. Also as for the burnishing being done "very lightly with no strain at all", Id love to see that. lol I've been all around the country and showed techniques in "float" burnishing walls and by far this is the easiest method used by those who decide to change their ways. Give it a try sometime and you will be amazed at the results.

Do you guys also use wax sealers? How many coats is the most you have ever done? The most I have done is 11 coats venetian, 1 coat sealer. Most customers are willing to pay for a 3-5 coat system, but on the gold coast in chicago, quality is in the highest demand so layer upon layer is demanded by many.

And Exroadog.... who does your ornamental plastering then? Painters? Painters there know how to make all the different wood and latex molds and poly rubbers? They also can carve out rock formation and make fake trees and waterfalls at Zoo's and mini golf courses? Who plasters the cathedrals and orchestra halls in your state? Painters? Jack of all trades huh? I am not talking about your statement specifically when I say that plastering isnt throwing structolite on a wall and putting blue top compound over it Just an FYI.

Exroadog

You might be interested.....SALI Expo in Chicago....17 july to 20th ? Probably the biggest gathering of VP applicators, along with others, at one time in the US. I think your Atova co. will be there.

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HNIC

I use the moclusky's venetian plaster.I also like to use the blue metal spatula to burnish with.

kbdesigns

I also get a lot of my plaster from Atova. I also use a lot of other brands depending on the finish I am doing. Love the Pavan trowels!

Sali Convention is a must. Great way to test out products old and new and to get some classes from some extremely talented people.

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