Turned My Old Boss In

MechanicalDVR

Anyone in the trades has to have a no tolerance policy when it comes to illegals. Somewhere down the line they will hurt your source of income. I think ICE needs to be more proactive, yeah they have raids and all in my area but they can't be too effective.
Ticks me off to see that one of the guys that murdered the three college students in Newark, NJ was an illegal from Peru that was awaiting trial for child rape (2x) and was still walking the streets. He was given bail on the murder charge and some politican talked to the newspapers and the judge revoked his bail. Amazing, only in America.

__________________
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" mlk
100% Union and Proud of It

Joewho

This just illustrates my point. If you are a legal, caucasian trying to be a painter, you're either an underbidder stealing work from "legitimate" business men or you get treated like crap. It's what countrymen do to their own people..
I've worked for other painters. Last time, they promised to put me "on the books", taking taxes, providing benefits etc. Instead, they just used me the same way this guy uses illegals. No thanks. I'll find my own work, do it by myself and if anyone thinks I'm taking business from them, too bad.

Tom R

Infuriating to no end.

How can someone who raped a little girl possibly be left walking the streets, allowing them to then execute 3 college students at random??

I'd like to choke that illegal right after I got done with the judge . . .

ModernStyle

When I first started working for my old boss's company his father owned it, now the old man was as shady as can be, but he never hired illegals. Once the son got the company he expanded like crazy untill they were doing roughly 600 houses a year from close to 20 different builders. Thats when he started hiring every illegal that applied for a job, he realized he could pay them next to nothing and that there was always more coming by looking for work daily. At first all of the legal guys made jokes about it, then we noticed our hours were drying up and that we never got raises, pretty much we were kept around to deal with HO's and do any jobs that required reading or writing in english. We were pretty much all banished to the service department. The funny thing though is that some of the illegals started going out on their own and taking his builders, this pissed him off to no end, so he reported them. The biggest employer of illegal aliens in the area would report illegals that didnt work for him, double standards I guess.
I used to stand in the office and watch the illegals come in to change the social security numbers they were using, some of them would work for him 3 or 4 time with a different name each time. Once when he was short handed I heard him tell another guy that he needed more Mexicans, not more guys or more painters, he needed more Mexicans. Alot of people applied there for work over the years, but unless there was an opening in service only illegals were hired.
I want to form some kind of group of painters and drywallers who do not hire illegals, that report the companies that do hire illegals, and that tries to save this profession from being taken over by the illegals. Anyone want in on this let me know, I will probably need people who are smarter then me, thats not hard to be I guess ........ I am going to talk to alot of the local guys around here, but it doenst have to be just a local thing, it really needs to go nation wide to make a difference. Give me some input guys.

__________________
http://InDemandPainting.com http://www.SupermanOfPainting.com http://www.AplusPaintingServices.com

justariot

Good call buddy. I hate when people on TV and the news say illegals do work Americans wont! That is crazy how many trades have been wrecked and how many Americans lost jobs because the government will not close the border. In the local paper they had an illegal sounding off about how "americans will not work on a hot roof all day." Now I am not a roofer but I know several American builders who bitch and complain about how they are losing business, it a shame.

Good Call

paint_booger

The word "Illegal" is enough said.

There are plenty of LEGAL Mexican painters that are very good at what they do. They paid their dues, and swore an oath. They are welcome at my table. The illegals should not handle green American notes!

We can drive the spirit of competition to a new low if we allow cheaters to play cards at our table.

There are rules where we play ... if you cheat ... you should be out!

GURU

MechanicalDVR

Some people need to be taken out and beaten, some need to be shot when the beating stops. The judge that gave him bail for the murders.....needs the most work.

__________________
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" mlk
100% Union and Proud of It

daArch

This very subject was on my mind today. As I was working around many Hispanics, I had a fear that the subject of dealing with ILLEGALS could turn into a zenophobic lynch mob.

Thanks for expressing it, Guru Booger

__________________
Wallcovering Installations by Bill Archibald|paperhanger|Eastern Mass|Greater Boston Area|Dover|Wellesley|Franklin|Sharon|MA

TimNJ

OK, can somebody clue me in on this.
With so many illegals working under fictitious names and SS #'s, there should be tons of money pouring into the SS Trust Fund. Where is all that SS money going??

Mandrake

Well its actually pouring out faster to pay for all the benefits that criminal aliens are getting as they take advantage of the system.

On another note though .. I'm glad GURU pointed out that the operative word here is Illegal. Sometimes "American Worker" means "White only American Worker". In the area in which I live there is a large Portuguese population that epitomizes the American Dream - hard work, strong families, pride in their work, no handouts. We could use more of them!

Mndrk

ModernStyle

It is not a race thing, its a law thing. I have hispanic friends and family, they mean the world to me. Asian, hispanic, white, black, middle eastern, if you are illegal then you need to go. If you knowingly hire illegals then you deserve to be sent to jail and heavily fined.

__________________
http://InDemandPainting.com http://www.SupermanOfPainting.com http://www.AplusPaintingServices.com

dougchips

You can claim the money when you are legal. From what I hear all you have to do is prove that you worked and used the wrong SSN. Some people do it when the IRS is attaching their earnings.

__________________
To get the best replacement windows, or sun rooms contact the replacement windows experts at FHI Vinyl Window Company.

phinsher

I think you might be onto something. For so many of us our competition is the "bad guy" whether they're legal or not. Why not do something to bring together those with similar interests and hopefully benefit all who participate.

I had thought of similar ideas a while ago. I finally came to the conclusion that some type of co-operative advertising campaign touting the benefits of using local, legal labor might be the best option. Instead of sending what may be perceived as a negative message that would likely be seen as racist by some, it would be a positive message. If you pursue this, keep us informed.

Either way I'm up for trying to organize something that will help us all.

Frankawitz

Like I posted before but it got moved check the numbers on www.immigrationcounters.com you can see what they are doing to OUR COUNTRY. we need to put a stop to it.

daArch

You got it, phinsher.

Many trade organizations advertise use of their members for the benefit of the trade and consumer. We've all heard the Union ads on radio. The PDCA and NGPP both promote using their members for a quality job. Membership in these two organizations foster exchange of philosophies, techniques, knowledge, and tips (just like this forum). And that benefits all.

Many are realizing that the competition is not the ENEMY, but a colleague and a resource.

It would be an easy step to realize the advantage of a collaboratation to educate the public to the benefit of hiring legal workers.

__________________
Wallcovering Installations by Bill Archibald|paperhanger|Eastern Mass|Greater Boston Area|Dover|Wellesley|Franklin|Sharon|MA

Wolverine-Eric

Md... before you suugest that I had to be intoxicated to write:

you might want to back away from your own beverage. I didn't put any words in your mouth at all... That is why the sentence starts out...
IF you are suggesting...

You said:
Your first sentence was unclear and could be taken a number of ways. When I first read it I thought... Is he really saying it's OK to hire illegals as long as you keep it quiet? I guess what you meant was that having illegals is bad but bragging about it is even worse. Obviously from your response, you were NOT suggesting that it is OK to have illegals working for you as long as you don't brag about it...

As far as I am concerned, I don't think ANY red blooded American patriot should have to appologize for turning in someone who is hiring illegals and taking real jobs away from real Americans. You don't need to have a compelling reason to do what is right. Do what is right just because... duh... it's right!

I think you guys are awesome and love your stance on upholding the law of the land. We ALL have to play by the same rules to keep fair competition between businesses.

__________________
Some things just shouldn't be mixed... like... Kids & Paint

http://www.wolverinecoatings.com/Pic...kids&paint.gif

BigMikeB

Everyone needs to read the info on this link. Americans need to wake up the dormant spirit that made this country what it was before it became soft. We need a new cowboy president like a Teddy Roosevelt kinda guy.

daArch

Although I absolutely agree that this country needs a rekindling of our "can do it" spirit, and that we have gotten soft and lackadaisical (as a society in general), I'm not sure a "new cowboy president like a Teddy Roosevelt kinda guy" will do it. I have a feeling Dubya pictures himself in that role, and we ain't got no better. Teddy made a comment that went something like this, what this country needs is a nice little war once in awhile (I can not remember the exact quote). Although I understand the reasoning behind that philosophy, it certainly hasn't worked this time.

And I do not see any potential candidate on either side that promises to lead us in a positive and united direction. Sorry, I'm getting real pessimistic.

__________________
Wallcovering Installations by Bill Archibald|paperhanger|Eastern Mass|Greater Boston Area|Dover|Wellesley|Franklin|Sharon|MA

dougchips

I might have blinders on but I don't see any illegals on job sites. With the exception of our two local Mexican restaurants I haven't seen any Mexicans. What towns are you working in that have illegals?

__________________
To get the best replacement windows, or sun rooms contact the replacement windows experts at FHI Vinyl Window Company.

skyhook

People from all over the world use the Mexican Border to covertly cross into the USA. Latinos only make up a portion of the illegal immigrants in our country. Once here, they assimilate or claim political asylum , then start reaping the benefits.

__________________