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04-03-2007, 06:07 AM
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SW questions
What is the coverage for Promar 200 and 400?
Do homeowners and contractors pay the same amount at a SW store?
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04-03-2007, 07:37 AM
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Pro 200 and 400 have coverage of around 300 to 400 sq. ft. (the can says 400). 200 is much better than 400 and can be compared to superpaint in their retail line. 200 is a contractors line so and so is 400. Contractors usually don't pay the same price as retail customers but you must contact a sales rep to get better pricing. They will work out a great pricing method with you. Ask me any other questions on SW, I work there part time.
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04-03-2007, 02:19 PM
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Which is it that seems to be kind of runny and gets buggers in it?
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04-03-2007, 02:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boman47k
Which is it that seems to be kind of runny and gets buggers in it?
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200 is the better of the two. At times there will be sediments at the bottom of the 5's. That can happen with any paint.
400 is not a bad midline paint, it often covers in 1 coat and is great for same color applications.
When I took over a 70 unit complex, we changed the colors through out with 200. Couple years later we just did repaints, same color, with 400.
Last I knew, contractors discount was 30% off retail. SW discounts your products based on what you use.
Michelangelo,
Want to tell us how batching works? Insight on how to read the batch numbers so we can match them?
Last edited by Joewho; 04-03-2007 at 02:29 PM.
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04-03-2007, 02:47 PM
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All the big ones around me discount to how much you use. We get the best price out of Pittsburgh. before that it was the BM dealer.
Every year paint goes up.
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04-03-2007, 06:09 PM
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Michelangelo,
Want to tell us how batching works? Insight on how to read the batch numbers so we can match them?[/quote]
Do you mean the batch numbers on the can or bucket?
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04-03-2007, 06:56 PM
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I was thinking about 5's of pro mar. Buying quantity for income properties and getting the whole purchase in the same batch, so they intermix easier and touch up better.
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04-03-2007, 08:27 PM
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Batching
The thing to do is box your paints per unit because if you do not box them, even standard colors can vary and weather/climate should be considered. I have always strained paint , new or old and boxed it as well as making sure the pigments in the bottom of each can or 5 were stirred because thats where people lose alot of true color.
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04-03-2007, 09:14 PM
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promar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joewho
I was thinking about 5's of pro mar. Buying quantity for income properties and getting the whole purchase in the same batch, so they intermix easier and touch up better.
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Sure, I see now. What specifically would you like to know about it? I'm sure your local store will be happy to give you this information but if you don't want to go that route give me specifics on what you want to know. I will help you with anything that is not a trade secret..haha.
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04-04-2007, 06:10 AM
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Not to hijack the thread, but when we were in textile, a batch of material ( around 1000 to 1200 lbs ) would be dyed, compacted, stretched,etc, at the same time, same temps, same chem's,etc. All 3000 or so shorts, t-shirts, or whatever, from that batch would be the same color. The batch number could be referred to to do another batch the "same color". But, the only way to get two garments the same exact color was to get both from the same batch. If two paint containers have the same batch number, I would think they would be the same color. With paint, I guess we would be talking about base actually. Then it would be the colorant and the mixing process that determines the color. I would think that is the reason for for pouring paint for a job into as few containers as possible and mixing to get a uniform color.
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04-04-2007, 01:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelangelo
Sure, I see now. What specifically would you like to know about it? I'm sure your local store will be happy to give you this information but if you don't want to go that route give me specifics on what you want to know. I will help you with anything that is not a trade secret..haha.
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What the heck? I don't work at SW, don't wanna go there to look at a 5 of pro-mar 200 and post back here. LOL. Hoping you would do it.
4THGEN: boxing, straining and mixing for large income property accounts gets old quick. For example, I used pro mar 200, dover white, flat.
The factory makes that color, so all the tinting is done at the factory in huge quantities. By the time it gets dispensed into 5 gal. containers it's completely mixed. The prinicple is the same as bowman described. You get all your 5's from the same batch number, you won't even have to box them. And the very last thing I want to do is strain every 5. It's easier to attach a strainer to the intake of the pump. If rolling, I just roll until I come across the odd 5 that might need straining. The point is, all the 5's are labeled in such a way that you can get the same batch number for all your paint. At least until the next batch.
Last edited by Joewho; 04-04-2007 at 01:11 PM.
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04-04-2007, 06:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joewho
What the heck? I don't work at SW, don't wanna go there to look at a 5 of pro-mar 200 and post back here. LOL. Hoping you would do it.
4THGEN: boxing, straining and mixing for large income property accounts gets old quick. For example, I used pro mar 200, dover white, flat.
The factory makes that color, so all the tinting is done at the factory in huge quantities. By the time it gets dispensed into 5 gal. containers it's completely mixed. The prinicple is the same as bowman described. You get all your 5's from the same batch number, you won't even have to box them. And the very last thing I want to do is strain every 5. It's easier to attach a strainer to the intake of the pump. If rolling, I just roll until I come across the odd 5 that might need straining. The point is, all the 5's are labeled in such a way that you can get the same batch number for all your paint. At least until the next batch.
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One problem is that most of the spray guys leave about a inch of paint in each bucket. It is a good practice to box paints because whose goal is it to be king of low end? When the store shook up the "standard" paint color the pigment will still settle on the bottom making it not touch up as well. I can tell you that I have never seen any spray man take the time to scrape the bottom of the paint bucket up to stir the pigments. You are right. It does become old to box, but it is the right way to do it. Now if apartments are being blown rapidly I am sure the management does not care about the quality rather than turnability to get another tenant in there renting, so who cares in the long run anyhow.
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04-04-2007, 06:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4thGeneration
One problem is that most of the spray guys leave about a inch of paint in each bucket. It is a good practice to box paints because whose goal is it to be king of low end? When the store shook up the "standard" paint color the pigment will still settle on the bottom making it not touch up as well. I can tell you that I have never seen any spray man take the time to scrape the bottom of the paint bucket up to stir the pigments. You are right. It does become old to box, but it is the right way to do it. Now if apartments are being blown rapidly I am sure the management does not care about the quality rather than turnability to get another tenant in there renting, so who cares in the long run anyhow.
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Exactly.
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04-04-2007, 09:04 PM
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batch dates
The batch dates are interpreted like this. Example "EC0657C" The first two letters indicates which factory made it, there are lots of different factories. The next three numbers indicates which day it was made 065 is the 65th day of the year. Last number "7" represents the year made. Some other companies SW owns does the same.
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04-04-2007, 11:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paintpimp
The batch dates are interpreted like this. Example "EC0657C" The first two letters indicates which factory made it, there are lots of different factories. The next three numbers indicates which day it was made 065 is the 65th day of the year. Last number "7" represents the year made. Some other companies SW owns does the same.
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thank you very much. Now that's pimpin'.
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