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S Painter

Ok.. So after no much response with help as to what I am looking at.. I am meting with the owner/purchaser of this Industrial/warehouse bldg I spoke of in earlier posts. 250,000 total painting sq ft interior concrete walls , concrete and metal ceilings 20' (flat) with 180 8' round 20' high pillars.. 3 floor with stairways.
Going Through once with High power pressure washer to knock off Loose badly flaking Paint. going back thru Applying 2 coats (spray) of SW Multi surface Acrylic Gloss
Number I went with was my usual $2.25 sq Ft which has always yeilded me a good Overhead paid, Salary/Profit on my usual repaints.
I'm Employing 15-20 guys (starting lower guys, Finishing higher if needed)
Numbers come out to an astonishing $562,000
And out side 80,ooo sq ft , minimal prep (wash down) Prime/paint 1 coat each Spray with Lift
$1.45 sq ft coming up with $116,000
I am buying all materials, Renting all lifts (exterior), rolling scaffolds (interior) and purchasing 5-7 more sprayers for the job.
Do these Numbers sound right to some of you? Or Does a high amount of sq ft like this warrant a smaller discounted sq ft rate.
From what I am coming up with, I'd be walking away with $300k+ Which I am just making sure is justifiable for 3 months (60 total man days) work. ANy suggestions...... IS this where some of you would be pricing wise?
HE also has other blgds bigger than this he says he is having us look at /do in the future as well.
please respond.. Meeting set up for Monday most likely with client ( who is real down to earth, and stressed how he knows its a huge place and lots of work.
Thanks Guys!!!

send_it_all

I'm not a painter, but I do think that much square footage warrants a bit of a price break. However, this isn't a typical job. You are going to be renting quite a bit of equipment. Also, with that many guys working, even small delays or underestimation of time will cost big bucks. As long as you have thought of everything and you still like your price I say go for it. Don't let the promise of the "future work" cloud your judgement. If that work comes, give him a break on the last job, not the first.

Jonesey

Don't skimp. Floor has to be washed and etched before you can paint it. Same with the concrete columns. Ext. will run you a lift for at least a week, and you're already talking about buying at least five rigs.

Equipment alone will cost you (rental and bought) over 12k.

Don't bid it cheap just because there's a lot of it. I've never seen a job with more than 2 painters on it that didn't have tons of touch-up, particularly with new guys.

It's your butt on the line, cover it. Bid your standard price, or more than that. Giving discounts to people with plenty of money is just plain wrong. If you want to be a philanthropist, find some old lady on SS to give paint and labor to. If you don't get the job and the resulting work, that's fine. That just turned into somebody else's headache.

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Mandrake

The exterior number looks a little high based on the factors and I'm thinkin a competitor might come in at around 99k. Just a guess though.

What is the exterior height and what type of surface.

I would suggest running the numbers backwards using conservative production rates rather than just SF pricing to see what you get. This sometimes helps on big projects (and this is a big project) since it may give you some wiggle room without sacrificing margin

just my $.02

mndrk

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Double-A

Something else to consider is the deployment and redeployment of equipment. You're going to have to move that equipment around quite a bit. Have you considered lost time due to just moving the set up?

For instance, you have budgeted 60 man days for this project, but if two of those days are tied up with getting lifts unloaded and into the building, and then moved to the work area they will be used in, and then vice versa when the project is over, have you considered these two lost days of productivity? (might be only half days, but the lifts might not be ready to work the first day, batteries and all that.)

What about Safety Regs? Fall restraints? Do you have all the MSDS binders and sheets ready to deploy for an inspector? GFCI power and or power cords? Are they long and large enough? Physical control zone equipment and barriers for when spraying? Respirator Cartridges? Eye wash stations? Spill containment stations?... The list goes on I'm afraid. You will, after all be here for 3 months.

You might check in with OSHA and see what they will look for on a job this size.

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but better to think of these things now than get busted and lose your back pocket.

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premierpainter

Your price is too high. We bidded a 250k sq ft commercial building- walls were block, floor needed epoxy, ceiling dryfall- 2 coats on all walls and ceiling. The winning bid was $289k
Also, don't bid with the thought of future work. Offer this to them- Discuss the possibility of future work with back end discounts. Meaning the more you do, the more you drop your price.
Good luck. Sounds like nice work. Why do you need 5-7 rigs? Buy 2 SpeeFlows that you can use up to 6 guns a piece. We own a bunch of them and love them. 4 guns at a time can really speed up your day.

Tom Rohland

Don't forget the babysitter!!!!

Who's doing that?


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Frankawitz

The painters your planning on hiring are these guys you know and have worked with side by side? So you know what they can produce in a day of 8 hours. or are you just going to run a ad in local paper or you going to use Union Painters. Also the thing with price that will depend on your location, I know some areas work is cheaper then other areas. The other thing is when you walk the site I would take a camera and take as many pictures and down load to my PC or Laptop so when you doing the numbers you can look back and figure out what you may need for that area of the Warehouse. I would take a few days to get the numbers all in line. Good luck. Hey if you need help I'm sure you could post your ad here