Still Trouble With Flashing

Traditions

ok, I never used to have any trouble with flashing. (girls flashing)o.k. with that I am not really doing anything differently. I have taken many suggestions on here. Some of you probably recall some of my other threads. I am spraying primer and backrolling. Rolling on 2 coats of promar 200 eggshell. When i roll I overlap by 1/2 and roll out in one direction on last coat. On long walls, stairways etc. I always see flashing. Maybe my primer is the problem. maybe promar is different than it used to be. I am really getting stressed about it. I know that long walls with a window behind are going to show a little. However, this is pretty bad flashing. ANyone else hav any tricks to try? Appreciate any comments.

MarvinWilleyJr

Pictures would sure help....

But a problem we have had in the past was the drywall finishers over sanding and burning the paper on the drywall. Then they texture, and it looks like it flashes no matter what you do. Nothing your doing wrong, just bad drywallers maybe?

Pictures would really help.

Traditions

I'll try to snap some pics. Smooth drywall, no texture

Danahy

Without seeing I'm going to warrant a guess.

Problem, with either to much airflow, or wall temperature too high, which is prematurely setting up the paint too fast, which is showing your roller directions as the paint isn't levelling naturally which generally removes this, although the coverage is probably good, from the side you see up and down type stuff, which is your texture of your roller going up and down, also is more likely to happen if you use deeper base colours in the same scenerio.

Solution, cool down the room, paint faster, use alittle more, floetrol if you can, have two of you do the work.

Rich Turley

When I do smooth coat, (no texture), before priming I skim everything. Put the mud on then take it off tight, no flashing.

Rich

Joewho

this is why I bitch about tapers only laying down 2 coats. Same ol' same ol'. Sometimes it's fine, sometimes Im stuck doing extra mud work.

Take a 4 or 6 foot level, or a straight edge, lay it across the wall. Where are the dips and where is it flashing? Show this to your customers. You brought this up before. Flat paint is not an option? It might be after you explain the situation to your customers.

premierpainter

Try a better primer. We used to use a cheap high build primer on new construction- thinking it was ok. Flashing occurred a lot. Now we use S/W primer and have not had any problems. We had really bad flashing issues this past week when the homeowner wanted us to use Ferral and Ball paint. It was red and came with its own primer. The company claimed that 1 coat of primer and 1 top coat is fine. Well, three top coats later it still looks so bad. You can see the brush marks, roller marks and air bubble trapped under the finish. She can't understand why it looks so bad because she paid so much for the paint and had it shipped in from Europe.

Traditions

i have been using a cheaper primer. I'll try that on the next one. Although, i did a repaint the other day and it flashed a little too. Long walls and stairways suck!!!!

MakDeco

I think you have to expect a little flashing on the long stairwell walls and in foyers that are two story high walls. You can't paint fast enough to not have it start drying somewhere on you. Lay it on thick and try to keep it wet.

GPI

I'll have to agree with Danahy,
Also are you trying to cut these areas (long hallways and coming back and rolling them yourself? You need to keep a wet on wet edge, Have someone cut ahead and increase roller size to 18", if the place is warm you really have to blaze thru these halls, one wall at a time to acheive uniformity. We had 5800 sf of hallways to do last month and it was the same scenario, hot and cold spots with the heating, we just changed directions and hit it one wall at a time.

Traditions

the flashing is in the middle of the walls. SHouldn't be from cutting in with brush. I would call that boxing if you could see where it was cut in.

Traditions

I have a huge new home coming up. Monstrous walls and windows. would it be worthwhile to go with superpaint or duration on these walls to try and minimize flashing. Maybe this wouldn't make a difference.

GPI

Well because there are no pics posted its all anyones guess. So instead of poo-pooing everyones comments and answering your own questions try being specific with pics.
Sounds like if its in the center of a wall, maybe there was a patch there, someone spot primed it ,not flashed but appears double coated, maybe you are seeing things, maybe institute the 10 ft rule. If you only see from the side, its a texture issue with the way yours or someone elses nap (stipple) dryed out., too heavy,too light, frontal, do you see it?

Traditions

don't see it frontal. It is hard to post pics now that the job has come and gone. If I was still on the job i would take pics. Next time i encounter the problem i will get some pics. I am sorry you feel i am answering my own questions. I am trying to give a good description without the benefit of having pics. It is vertical stripes all down the wall. Sorry i am bugging you. Those of you with the good advice, i appreciate it.

Traditions

I am not poo pooing everyones comments. Trying to get my description of the problem across. when someone makes a suggestion I appreciate it. However, if the flashing is not from where it is cut in I have to "poo poo" it because that is not where the problem lies. Sorry if i am bugging you. Just trying to get some helpful advice from fellow painters.

Joewho

I'm certain you posted about this before, everyone gave you really good suggestions. I could swear danahay's comment was already given to you. Did you try any of the advice? Did you do anything differently?

Traditions

if you went back and re-read the posts i did say i took everyones advice. I tried to roll in one direction to keep the stipple marks going in one direction. I did everything everyone mentioned. Maybe it is just me being to critical. It is only on long walls with windows behind. I will not ask for any advice any longer. I thought this forum is to get new insight and help people out. not question someone or give someone a hard time. My bad.

Traditions

Many people have given me very good suggestions. To those of you, thanks. I will not post on this topic any longer. It seems to be bugging people.

GPI

Traditions,
I hope you didnt take my last post wrong , you are welcome to post your questions and comments, and sometimes posts that are very general without any info causes the replies to ask 2 dozen questions to get to the bottom of it and come to some sort of solution, I seen your posts as if you knew the answer, but were fishing for whether or not there was talented individuals here. Painting is chemistry, cause and effect, murphys law rapped up into one.
When someone executes an opinion, its not the word of god, but an option for you to try, but sometimes a post becomes redundant also when posters ask about substrates, climate issues, Temps etc...only to have the questionee say, no thats not it, or its not that, this is this or that is that. I value your post, I value everyones professional opinion here, if we didnt keep quiet in our life, we couldnt learn.

If my post came across as nasty the last time, l apologize, but we must listen to learn. I enjoy reading your posts BTW and will continue to read them, No reason to bail on the thread, nor bail on the board if it gets a little sticky. Lets push forward
I hope I havent overstepped my bounds Nathan and ADMINs and apologize if I did.

Joewho

I'm just razzin you a little homey. My impression is also that you did change up you style, but then you said the primer wasn't that good. I sort of feel stupid suggesting it could be the mud now. At any rate, don't take it to heart. Maybe I'll meet you sometime when I get back to IL.

Tim