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Old 08-07-2008, 07:03 AM   #1
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Square Foot Price For Commercial Work?


Hi everyone, just joined. Have been a painting contractor for 30 years. Originally from Chicago and moved to Southwest Florida 4 years ago. Got out of the painting business when I moved from Chicago but have just opened up a brand new company. My big question.... I know what square pricing used to cost for interior walls and ceilngs, exterior walls, linear foot pricing per coat etc.., and I also know it also depends on where you are located in the US. But with the current economic times, I am wondering if there are any paint contractors on this forum that live in southwest Florida that can give me a handle on square foot pricing on large commercial jobs
such as a 50000 square foot car dealership. People I have talked to in the industry are all over the board these days anywhere from 20Cents a sf per coat to 40cents. What is the real number, very hard to bid jobs without that info.

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Old 08-07-2008, 08:32 AM   #2
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Oy!!!! Another first post "How much should I charge" PITA!!!

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What is the real number, very hard to bid jobs without that info.
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First of all, Hello, it‘s 2008, the 1970’s called, they want their Bruce Lee clip back.


Now, Mr. New York, it is an extremely ignorant assumption that simply because I am new to this forum that I am new to contracting. I have owned and sold 3 painting companies up North for over 4 million dollars and made more money in contracting than you could ever imagine. You could amass this kind of wealth and success also, if you spent more time focusing on your business and less time putting up almost 2000 post in less than 6 months (which I’m sure were as insightful as this one). Your arrogance is your downfall.


I will now post my question again for the others in this forum who are actually interested in an intelligent exchange of knowledge and experience.
It doesn’t matter if a company has 1 employee or 100 employees,, the common denominator is SQUARE FOOT PRICING to win commercial bids. (with the exception of high end residential, where price doesn’t matter) This pricing varies greatly from region to region and as a successful businessman I know that assuming the prices from Chicago are the same as Southwest Florida would be a great mistake. I know that you will always encounter the companies that slice their own throats by bidding jobs so low, that they simply cannot perform the work for the bid price, and therefore do not survive, However, there is an average per square foot price in each region. Any successful painting contractors know what it is today?
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Well put Impact. I agree with the fact that a sq ft charge is needed for commercial and not residential. I have done a great deal of commercial painting in the loop for years until the company was bought out by a large company and painting was no longer a line item. However, things have changed and I am now being asked to bid again. With that being said I too am trying to get a 2008 idea of sq ft pricing however, I am searching for the city of Chicago, your old stomping grounds!

So if anyone has input for Chi Town, I would appreciate your serious and intelligent comments.

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Well then, for someone who has:
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I have owned and sold 3 painting companies up North for over 4 million dollars and made more money in contracting than you could ever imagine.
Then you should already know there is no such thing as a "going rate". But if you still believe in that fallacy, then I will refer you back to my original post.
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Good luck with yourself.

I feel generous today, so let me paraphrase a bit of that link for you in case you might be too lazy to click it and read it:

What should I charge for X? really means: what is the total of my labor costs, material costs, overhead, and profit? And the answer to that question requires a substantial amount of additional information. Providing an answer without that information is simply a guess.

Accurately pricing a job is not rocket science, but it shouldn’t be based on conjecture, blind guesses, or another company’s numbers either. Certainly accurate estimating takes effort, but owning a successful business isn’t easy. Asking what to charge for a job is asking for a short cut, but there are no short cuts to success.

I hasten to add that there is nothing wrong or inappropriate with asking how to price a job. But how to price is different from what price to give. Learning the process is a good thing. Looking for an easy way out isn’t.

P.S. Don't feel bad. None of us here are sure that Malco is even a contractor or not, but he sure does provide us with enough conspiracy theories to keep us busy and entertained.

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Define "Contractor".
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Define "Contractor".
You got me there!
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You Guys are nutz man. I am a young contractor fairly new to the business, but not doing so good. I believe the question was authentic. When dealing with cemmercial projects "time is of the essence" you put your bid out and you put it out fast. The SqFt is the best way of doing it and is usuually a better price than the Whole brian formula for your client.

With that said it depends on your sales skills
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Believe me when I say I'm not trying to be harsh but if you are:
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I am a young contractor fairly new to the business, but not doing so good.
then you might want to be a bit more open minded and read/learn a bit from some of the guys here who have been in business for a long time, and know what it takes to price a job, make a profit, and stay in business.
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We only use "unit" or "square foot" prices on a budget for a GC or owner. When it comes time to price the job the only way to do it properly is to take it off rioom by room. Every job is different.
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How could you even have a sq ft price? What happens with trim? how many doors? crown? stripes? custom design? chair rails? multiple offices inside that sq ft box? 8', 10' 12' 20' walls? I simply don't get how someone could even try to say the going rate is say 2.25 a sqft. it means some jobs you would do good one but lose your ass on most.
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such as a 50000 square foot car dealership. People I have talked to in the industry are all over the board these days anywhere from 20Cents a sf per coat to 40cents. What is the real number, very hard to bid jobs without that info.

Thanks for any feedback
Well, I can't say much for what you claim to have done, or how you seek information, but I will say this. If you are as successful as you claim, then you will realize that pricing per sq/ft in todays economy is just asking for a good personal assault case.

Any good business person knows that first and foremost its not what you can charge, but what you need to charge based on your business model. So claim away, but until you come across with some specifics, sq/ft. pricing, no matter how you abuse the English vocabulary and proclaim yourself successful is just a mental masturbation that those without the knowledge of what it takes to run a business excuse their lack of experience with.
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.20-.40 sounds right. Obviously the closer you get to .20 the better chance you have of landing the job. These days for commercial the lowest bidder is what gets the contract. Change orders will always happen and you can net some profit there but don't think about doing a quality job at a decent pace for that rate. Take a little of what everyone else has told you here and figure out what your raw cost is and what profit you would like to make, then sell yourself to the Contractor. If anything at least you have explained yourself and what your company does. When the extreme low bidders do a bad job they might have you in mind for the next one. I know it sounds crazy but I have landed custom builders this way.

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