The size of your business....what's considered small, large, etc... - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

SeanATL · 04-11-2007, 01:21 PM

I was just wondering about different sizes of painting contractors based on revenue.

If you looked at monthly revenue, what do you think would be considered small, medium, and large?

$20,000 a month, $50,000, and $100,000 a month gross revenue?

Obviously your market, whether you are mostly commercial or residential, etc... will all play a big factor.

It seems like most on this board are smaller shops with one or two crews and the owner of the business either doing a lot of painting or at least being heavily involved in most jobs.

What are most people on the board doing a month....$20k-30k?

paintr56 · 04-11-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanATL

I was just wondering about different sizes of painting contractors based on revenue.

If you looked at monthly revenue, what do you think would be considered small, medium, and large?

$20,000 a month, $50,000, and $100,000 a month gross revenue?

Obviously your market, whether you are mostly commercial or residential, etc... will all play a big factor.

It seems like most on this board are smaller shops with one or two crews and the owner of the business either doing a lot of painting or at least being heavily involved in most jobs.

What are most people on the board doing a month....$20k-30k?

About $8000 a month on average some better some worse. I work alone and try to keep my hours down.

Jim Bunton

Miller · 04-11-2007, 04:55 PM

Only been on my own for a short time now but i have been averaging around 8-10,000

SeanATL · 04-11-2007, 04:57 PM

That's good for a one man show Jim, nice work.

I'm trying to set some new goals and I'm trying to get an idea of where I need to be.

I know it depends on a lot of factors.

I know George Z could do 600,000 a year or more it sounds like to me (based on the leads he's getting).

DeanV · 04-11-2007, 05:54 PM

I averaged $9333 gross receipts last year with one employee (started last April). I did run slow in late Nov.-early Dec. though.

**ProWallGuy** · 04-11-2007, 06:00 PM

Usually <10k per month. Raked in close to 14k for March.

Brushslingers · 04-11-2007, 06:00 PM

I haven't compiled my stuff yet past second quarter last year... count down to the 14th.. ACK! But, my second quarter closed at 67k last year.

DeanV · 04-11-2007, 06:17 PM

For reference sake, make sure we mention how many painters typically on the job. For me, I also had one large job (2 months) where I had 3 subs working (they billed to the GC for their labor).

SeanATL · 04-11-2007, 06:31 PM

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For reference sake, make sure we mention how many painters typically on the job. For me, I also had one large job (2 months) where I had 3 subs working.

Yeah, that's going to very. If one guys doing an apartment complex with 15 men on the payroll, that's going to be much different than a 2 or 3 man operation doing $15 a month.

Brushslinger....~$23k a month looks pretty good. Is that one 3 man crew or more/less?

**ProWallGuy** · 04-11-2007, 06:56 PM

You can count me as 1 1/2 men right now.

Brushslingers · 04-11-2007, 06:57 PM

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Brushslinger....~$23k a month looks pretty good. Is that one 3 man crew or more/less?

That was one 3 man crew plus me, with a helper for two weeks at one job. Most i've ever run is 7.

Richard · 04-11-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanATL

It seems like most on this board are smaller shops with one or two crews and the owner of the business either doing a lot of painting or at least being heavily involved in most jobs.

I'm sure we are all differ depending on our size, ability, jobs, rates, etc. But it does seem that most of us are the owner/operator type doing small to medium sized jobs.

I run between $6k-$8k per month on average. This is based on myself doing all the estimating, marketing, labor, etc. I am working 60% repaints, 20% new construction, 20% misc.

George Z · 04-12-2007, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanATL

That's good for a one man show Jim, nice work.

I'm trying to set some new goals and I'm trying to get an idea of where I need to be.

I know it depends on a lot of factors.

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I know George Z could do 600,000 a year or more it sounds like to me (based on the leads he's getting)

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Or more... If I can hire enough good people fast enough.
I was only forecasting $300.000 this year. I will have to adjust my plans.

THINKPAINTING · 04-12-2007, 06:36 AM

[quote=SeanATL;225228]I was just wondering about different sizes of painting contractors based on revenue.

If you looked at monthly revenue, what do you think would be considered small, medium, and large?

$20,000 a month, $50,000, and $100,000 a month gross revenue?

Obviously your market, whether you are mostly commercial or residential, etc... will all play a big factor.

It seems like most on this board are smaller shops with one or two crews and the owner of the business either doing a lot of painting or at least being heavily involved in most jobs.

What are most people on the board doing a month....$20k-30k?

After you brought in your gross recipets--what percent was profit or salary after all your overhead. Its easy to stay busy with work especialy if your price is to low....

NSolano · 04-12-2007, 10:43 AM

From painting only about $40,000 a month.
Our company is owned by my father, my brother, and I. We are subcontractors for bigger GC, so we don't do any in-home stuff or any of the labor ourselves, we used to do it when we first started it but now we have people to do that, so if you are doing about the same as us and doing the work yourself you are probably making more of a profit.
So I say we are medium size for painting.

Most of our business comes from drywall and renovations but that's not what you asked.

premierpainter · 04-14-2007, 09:30 AM

I am not going to mention how much monthly/yearly, but we have 15 guys that work every day, wife in the office answering calls and billing, ect, and two estimators, five vans, a trailor, two trucks, wifes suv....
Put it this way, we need a lot of work and have a lot of work to remain in great standings at the end of the year. 16 year and have never lost money- yes I am knocking on wood as we speak

Mater · 04-14-2007, 06:45 PM

George Z, Premier - way to go

! I love the small business spirit. Keep up the great work, and enjoy yourselves!

Richard · 04-14-2007, 08:26 PM

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I am not going to mention how much monthly/yearly, but we have 15 guys that work every day, wife in the office answering calls and billing, ect, and two estimators, five vans, a trailor, two trucks, wifes suv....
Put it this way, we need a lot of work and have a lot of work to remain in great standings at the end of the year. 16 year and have never lost money- yes I am knocking on wood as we speak

Wow man...talk about a good run and a whole crapload of equipment! I wish you all the luck, sounds like you are a very reputable company with many good years ahead.

premierpainter · 04-16-2007, 06:39 AM

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Wow man...talk about a good run and a whole crapload of equipment! I wish you all the luck, sounds like you are a very reputable company with many good years ahead.

Crapload is correct. Now we are pushing more for the remodeling path and will keep painting, but there is more $ in bathrooms and basements reno's. We get more money to install crown in a room then to paint the room...it is a crazy business we live in