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Old 02-11-2013, 08:55 PM   #1
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Set-Up For Spraying Cabinet Doors


Looking for your set-up on how you deal with spraying lacquer(water or pre-cat) on stained cabinet doors. Do you -

Lay them flat on boards, spraying each side after drying time

Hang them, and spray all sides

Lean them up against something, and spray each side

Sit them on nails or triangle stands, and spray each side

Just looking examples on how you do this with quality results. I have been trying a couple different ways lately with mixed results. Laying flat, and also using the triangle stands. The only thing I don't like about the triangle stands are the little pin marks left in the finish.

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On a quality job I spray 3 coats on the front and 2 on the rear. Start on the front and then flip after it dries and continue until you have the 5 coats on. The face should always be the last coat. That way no chance of damage.

On a price job 2 coats each side, use nail boards. Spray the back and then put the nail board on the door and flip it, spray the front. Put in rack to dry, repeat again.

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On a quality job I spray 3 coats on the front and 2 on the rear. Start on the front and then flip after it dries and continue until you have the 5 coats on. The face should always be the last coat. That way no chance of damage.
Leo, do you lay them flat each time to spray?
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Yes. In a kitchen job the spraying is non stop. You start with about 30 doors and you spray the first to the last and by that time you can flip them and do it all over again. You only have wait time if you have less than 10 doors or so.

Spraying is easy, all the sanding is what will burn up the time.
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Hung, racked, spray table.

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Hung, racked, spray table.

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Tom, it looks like you also use those triangle stands? I have been using them, but don't like the small dimples it leaves in the finish.
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I spray flat on turntables.

Like Leo I spray 2 coats back and 3 front. But I shoot the back first then the fronts. I let the backs dry (hanging) before I shoot the fronts.

I have about 3 dozen of these that I use after they set (tacked-up) awhile.

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What about overspray?
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Tom, it looks like you also use those triangle stands? I have been using them, but don't like the small dimples it leaves in the finish.
The triangles are holding the piece off the table. Once sprayed they are racked. Kem Aqua is 1/2 hour sand recoat, so by the time you get back to the beginning it is dry. At no time is the finish wet when on the triangles.

I much prefer hanging the doors, I use the Rockler hooks shown in post #7. Flat is reserved for shelves and non-euro hinge doors. I have hung some items by pinching a corner with Collins clamps. I'll post some pics.

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The triangles are holding the piece off the table. Once sprayed they are racked.
How do you deal with overspray using the triangles? It seems when I'm attempting to finish the sides of the doors the overspray tends to get to the back side of the door?
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You do the sides and back, sides and front, repeat. Last coat is just the front, no sides. Make sure to angle the gun so you don't get any on the sides. A good air flow is necessary for no overspray. 100 feet per minute air movement.
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How do you deal with overspray using the triangles? It seems when I'm attempting to finish the sides of the doors the overspray tends to get to the back side of the door?
You'll notice a grill towards the rear of the table, that is an intake for a down draft system. Between that, gun position and pressure rebound (the problem is rebound off the table, not over spray) is not an issue. I spray the edges with the fan parellal to the edge, perpendicular to the edge can be an issue.

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Turn table pedestal (42" h)... easy to maneuver (you can turn or walk around), you can spray flat and consistent, and no worries about over-spray bounce-back underneath...

Hanging wastes too much time IMHO...
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What about overspray?
I have fresh air at the back of the room with a fan that blows towards the front of the room. Then I have a filtered blower at the front of the room. All air movement is from back to front.

When I have a lot of doors to do, Iíll layout several pieces on the table (each on a turntable) and start with the one in the back and work my way forward. Because of the air movement, the over spray hits the ones that havenít been sprayed yet.

When I have just a few doors to spray, I spray at the front of the room and move each one to the back as they are sprayed.

Because I use turntables, I can set the edge of the door so it overhangs the table eliminating the possibility of bounce off the table when spraying edges.

I made my turntables small and 2-1/2Ē tall, for the occasions when I canít spray off the edge of the table top and spin it. My old turntables were only 1-3/4Ē tall and I did get some bounce back Ė 2-1/2Ē seems to be high enough to prevent it.
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Turn table pedestal (42" h)... easy to maneuver (you can turn or walk around), you can spray flat and consistent, and no worries about over-spray bounce-back underneath...

Hanging wastes too much time IMHO...
I can shoot both sides at the same time with them hanging. No dry time in between front and back. One set up 6 sides done, no overspray or bounce back issues. How is that wasting time? What am I missing?

I do have a turn table also.

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Tom, looking at your pics, is your shop in a basement?
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Tom, looking at your pics, is your shop in a basement?
The hanging ones are for my home, they were shot in my basement (we all know what it is like getting to our own projects). The ones on the rack are for a job and shot in the shop.

If your concern is ventilation, both have very good evacuation systems.

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I can shoot both sides at the same time with them hanging. No dry time in between front and back. One set up 6 sides done, no overspray or bounce back issues. How is that wasting time? What am I missing?

I do have a turn table also.

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Less chance of runs, corner pooling, gravity working against you, and you have to take them down and put them up again to sand...

But everyone has their preferred method...
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I sand them in place. Corner pooling can occur hanging or flat. As I stated I will spray flat if they are not bored for euro hinges. After doing it either way, my preference is hanging. Gravity works against you on the edges and details on either method. As you said, to each their own.

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The hanging ones are for my home, they were shot in my basement (we all know what it is like getting to our own projects). The ones on the rack are for a job and shot in the shop.

If your concern is ventilation, both have very good evacuation systems.

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No concern. Just happy to see guys making do with what they have available. My shop is tiny and Iím not one to look down my nose at anything Because of the size and location of my shop, I'm always looking for better (read that as "space saving") ideas.

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