Self Priming Exterior Paints

painterdude

I have a job coming up at a golf course clubhouse. It's florida stucco. Pressure cleaning, masonry conditioner, or seal Krete, and then finish coat are standard. This place has lots of big windows so masking to apply conditioner will be a problem to spray. Has anyone used the new so called self prime paints(SW, Valspar)? Wondering if I could cut out the conditioner/sealKrete step. I realize the sq. ft is about a 1/2 or less, but it would be easier to roll out the finish coat without the masking problem. The fasia and soffit are aluminum, so spraying the place is not possible, not to mention the parking lots. Looking for some info for an old timer. thanks, pd

gideond

I sell Pratt & Lambert Accolade, which is considered self priming like SW Duration. It has excellent adhesion and coverage without a primer. If it were me, I'd still prime though. Especially if there is a reason it needs conditioned.

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painterdude

G.D.......no, it's not about priming and you don't prime several coated stucco. Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with these new coatings instead of mansonry conditioner. Thanks for the reply, but not on topic. pd

gideond

Your first post didn't really make clear that it already has several coats on it. If that's the case then any of these paints should work fine without the need for a primer or conditioner. Only spots down to bare stucco should need any spot priming.

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leroy

sherwin williams loxon xp elastomeric. great stuff

leroy

painterdude

thanks for the input so far. Still waiting for someone who has used some of these new products. Elasto?? Why? No sea spray or need for elasto, no great cracking or structural problems. I've used a lot of it on the coast near the ocean. This is a mid state building. Again, thanks for the input, but would like to hear acutal experience with these coatings. pd

ibsocal

sw duration works for me.use same for spot priming.the price per gallon is high though.

premierpainter

Use duration. If you want first hand, I am giving you first hand. You still have to mask when it is stucco. Your roller will create more speckle on everything if you don't. Why not mask everything and spray then backroll the spray?

painterdude

PP....Can't spray....aluminu fascia and soffit not being painted(at this time). Open golf course, so parking lot is a problem. I was told that the new self priming paints are too thick to spray. Read can and they say roller and brushwork only. Thanks for the reply. I think I'll just do the pressure clean, mask window with poly, spray clean sealkrete, let dry and roll the bldg. Like most of you when asked to try new product, I don't want to try things without checking in with those who've used them. Store people and reps will always give a glowing report. It's us who have to make things right with customer even if failure comes a few years down the road. thanks again...pd

gideond

P&L Accolade can be sprayed just fine. A lot of these paints, especially Duration seem to load up on bulky fillers with no real reason. Accolade is thinner than normal 100% acrylic house paint with much better coverage and durability.

We haven't sold a huge amount of Accolade, mainly due to the price tag. However, we've never had a single complaint out of the product as far as coverage or durability. I've been told by some contacts in the trade who do a lot of work in Hawaii that it's used quite a bit because it stands up to the salt spray better than any other similar product on the market. I've used in myself on several occasions and it is a very good paint. My only problem is that it tacks so fast you really have to shoot Floetrol in it to make it workable with a brush.

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chip1962

Gideond, Painting is not my line of buisness. I am in iron working, rigging and erecting. I hope you can help me w/ this ? I am usng Valspar Duramax Satin Finish Exterior. I primed the area and am now applying the finish coat. Looks like sh_ _!!! Brush strokes all over. Suggestions from anyone would be appreciated. Any ?/s regarding regarding rigging, erecting or saftey I am happy to anwser.

Chip

gideond

It's the nature of the product. Cut it with a latex paint extender such as Floetrol. I used 1 oz. per Qt. and it worked pretty well. Also make sure you do not use it in direct sunlight. Use a soft bristle brush like a Wooster Soft. These have a purple stripe on the package and are made of 100% purple nylon. Even doing all that I still had some noticable brush marks, though not nearly as bad. These paints just tend to tack so fast they don't have time to level. If you want better results you almost have to wait for cooler weather.

Depending on exactly what you are painting, the best thing to do is probably roll the product on and backbrush it immediately. This gets you a smooth even coat before it has a chance to start tacking. That way you aren't brushing back into drying paint and making you problem even worse.

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sparehair

The paint definitely was prone to dripping because it would build very fast. Just needed back rolling wasall. But no problems spraying. The rep never said that I shouldn't apply the product in that manner either.

Frankawitz

I have used Benjamin Moore's Ironclad it's a self priming paint, put two coats on done deal, also when you roll out the stucco use a 1 1/2" lambs wool roller skin it will help will coverage, good luck


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premierpainter

We spray heavy and then backroll right away. We then follow the first coat with a mist-coat to color evenly. No brush marks or roller marks.

THINKPAINTING

We do alot of brush and roll old school painting, we spray when its beneficial to us and the customer. I guess you can say I am a old timer, 53 yrs young.

We just did an exterior stucco repaint, along with pipe rails, and wood facia, we used Ben Moore Aura.

Aura brushed and rolled no problem, we have also used Duration, PPG Timeless and Muralos Endurance they are all new tech more or less self priming paints depending on the substrate.

I say you will be fine with a spot prime then roll away......

Wish I was in that Florida Sunshine.....

BMAN

We used to use a lot of Self Primers but lately I have cut back because we found on light colors we were priming anyway because of bleeding wood. I will say however if they will pay the paint is worth it. House we did when duration first came out still look newly painted. The guy who asked about the valspar brush marks, the valspar sets up very fast especially on hot day.

Dmax Consulting

I don't like to use the self-priming paints as primers because they usually cost so much more per gallon than the primer does. For instance, Duration is $33/gallon and nearly any primer is going to be less than $20/gallon.

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THINKPAINTING

As labor is usally your biggest cost, if I can apply 2 coats in one day instead of waiting for primer to dry its much more cost effective.

We have done very well using Duration and Aura both inside and out.

As with any product they all have there place but much rather pay more for material if it cuts down on labor costs......me like profit...

blackstone

...just wanted to agree with those recommending the SW Duration. Great product.