"self Priming

boman47k

How confidence to you guys have in self primeing paints on bare wood interior and exterior and on bare drywall? Color change? I usually prime when in doubt. Have I been wasting time and or money?

slickshift

There is no doubt in any way shape or form that primers make better primers, and paints make better paints

Self priming paints have their uses, but drastic color changes, bare wood and bare drywall are not three of them

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boman47k

In your opinion, what would be their uses? Light stain on already painted surfaces? Seems to me this claim of "self primeing" is deceptive to some degree.

slickshift

I believe it is deceptive to some degree
Sealing stains would not a use of self-priming paint, no

Some uses I find for self-priming paints would be Perma-White for bathroom repaints for example
Bathrooms, being so susceptible to failure, ought to be primed before re-painting
Not so with Perma-White self priming paint
It's every good
But if you are talking new drywall in a bathroom and even if Perma-White is the paint spec'd, I'd prime before painting...absolutely

Also Duration exterior in re-paints for example
Of course during the prep all bare spots should have been primed
If during painting however, if you find a small spot overlooked, or that has peeled a bit since prep was first done, especially when you are on a ladder and it's really awkward to fetch a dab of primer and wait for that to dry, then go back later and paint the spot, doing a "prime" coat of Duration, waiting a few, then top coating with Duration works well, saves time, and leaves no ill adhering paint or sheen flashing
Bare wood, or any larger areas, even if Duration is the paint spec'd, I'd prime...absolutely

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Traditions

oil base primer?

Brushslingers

I have to agree totally with slick. There is a time and a place for even "self priming" paints.

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aura, aura, aura, and Im a SW guy!

PlainPainter

I know one guy - who painted two coats of Benny's Regal on bare plaster, and claimed it was great. Yet on another job - under the same 'decorator' and contractor. I washed down the walls with a slightly acidic solution to neutralize the 'hotness' of these 3 week old plaster walls. Then primed the next day with a 100% acrylic primer and two coats of Muralo superpaints. And the paint would come off with a forcefull pull from so-called painters' safe blue tape. I waited another 2 months in a different room - and only oilbased primers 'stuck'. But in fairness - the plaster wasn't very well hard-trowelled and crumbly underneath the 'failed' areas. I'd love to see how Aura would do on this kind of plaster job without a primer.

regal

yeah I havent tested it like that, but its claim is that. Have you tried aura yet?

PlainPainter

I will try it next week - thursday/friday. But I am really negative on the whole Aura/$55 can deal. Everyone says how much more expensive labor is than materials. But the amount I have had to lower my rates to secure work - saving $20/can and buying a 'good' quality latex instead of this hyper uber quality - really helps. I find 90% of the quality is in prep, paying $55 for paint perhaps buys you a little more. And I don't think the homeowner really notices much difference. I painted the whole interior of my sisters house 4 years ago - took down the wallpaper to bare 1950's plaster walls, cleaned them, mudded them 3-4 times, sanded primed with oil coverstain - and topcoated with two coats of Ace royal touch satin wallpaints. And the finish is still spectacular even with 3 kids. So what would Aura have done all that much better? Aura in my opinion should be an expensive upsell/upgrade.

regal

you should only pay 47.00 and some change. Tell the store you know about the lowest price that this product can go for, you want it at that price or you are going to another store. Also remember cut the whole room in first then roll. On the second coat you dont have to do an exact cut in, if the first covered. just "wash" it close, it will blend. good luck and let me know how it goes. Also dont buy to much the second coat is a breeze

THINKPAINTING

We used Muralo's Endurance Exterior this yr on quite a few exteriors.

Self priming we followed the spec, have to say this product was great to work with and covered like a glove.....blows Duration away.

We are and never have been big fans of Duration, it also has its place.

To each his own as far as paint goes. As for priming when in doubt prime it out...............................

regal

How much a gallon? How does it apply manually in hot weather? those two questions are thumbs down for duration.

gideond

Out of the P&L products I sell I've seen where Pro Hide Silver is self priming on drywall. This is as it should be since most contractors use this grade of paint and most don't bother priming. They just two coat the paint. This grade of paint was specifically designed with common contractor practices in mind I believe. Exterior Accolade is another self priming paint P&L makes. It's the same sort of stuff as Duration. I believe these paints claim to be self priming because their formulation is based on DTM specs instead of standard paint specs. DTM's are often self priming due to the high acrylic content and the kinds of resins they use. Still, I wouldn't trust using an exterior product to self prime unless it's going over a previous coat of paint, in which case any paint should be able to "self prime" provided it's a sound surface of compatible product beneath it.

PlainPainter

I don't see why people care so much about self priming products? How hard is it to use a product that most of the time is less expensive than the actual paint - and can readily be tinted, so that one topcoat of a more expensive paint is enough to secure a good finish. Not to mention - you are asking one can to do two different jobs - I have to believe that a primer has a different type of resin - making it able to seal a surface - where as a paint has a different formulation that is more about coverage. IF you ask one can to do both tasks - you are in my opinion using a product that is a compromise. Sure if you plan on doing a one coat wam-bam job - then it's another tool in the arsenal. Maybe there is a chemist here that can explain with these newer products - that you can have your cake and eat it too.

That being said - I have been in many situations, when it's the bottom of the 9th - and you gotta git-r-done. Using the same steps as you did earlier in the paint job could cause you to push off the job another day. Like you have a 40 footer setup - and you are painting an eave/soffit - and to spot prime, break down the ladder - come back the next day, re-set up a 40 footer with a helper, is just absolutely killing the budget. In that case you scrape - and put two wet coats of paint. I initially felt bad in the beginning, but then realized that homeowners are forcing us to work on strict budgets - and not on 'do whatever it takes for the absolute in best perfection in work'. And not to mention - this will only impact less than 1/10th of one percent of the total area that you scraped and primed - so it's a very little bit. It's so small - it's less than the other areas of paint that didn't scrape up this time - but will become loose in 8 months. Not to mention - I remember tons of painters back in the 80's that didn't even know what primer was - and just went up ladders with a scraper in one hand and a paint bucket in the other. That's how most of the work use to be done.

Joewho

Drywall, barewood and exteriors can all be done with self priming paint.

I personally would use primer on drywall and bare wood and priming exterior would depend on the job.

But I recently saw in the local paper, the local paint co. that won an award.
This company is totally splash and dash. They do interior bare drywall, one coat. Not prime coat of primer or paint, But one actual coat of paint. They advertise...One day, One coat service.

There are paints that can be thinned quite a bit and used as a prime coat safely on drywall. But in the end, drywall primer is usually cheaper than paint.

I'm starting to trust the uber paints to prime and paint bare wood and bare exterior wood. Not complelety yet, but the technology is there. But again, how much is a gallon of duration compared to a gallon of primer to fit application?

My 2 cents.