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Old 11-20-2017, 09:29 AM   #1
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Since it dates to the 90's for my sealing for smokers, a time when I applied solvent-based bin or kilz, I need to ask how the 'newer' latex solutions hold.

On walls, stomped ceilings, OSB floor.

These perform or merely hype?
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Old 11-20-2017, 12:49 PM   #2
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I dont believe so, I stick with the oil base sealers.

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I dont believe so, I stick with the oil base sealers.
You have a preference?
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Try Kilz Max.

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Either SW Problock or kilz.
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Try Kilz Max.

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Kilz Max I have not tried. Maybe I will.

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Either SW Problock or kilz.
Have used problock for other priming, wasn't aware it could handle nicotine.

I'm doing my best to avoid digging the respirator out from storage, and setting up the 440 just for a single room (oil in the line) for a small job likely coming on.

Maybe I could price it two ways? One latex and one solvent. You don't know until it dries.

That solvent stuff makes me �� Normally I avoid this type of work but with winter rearing who knows.

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Sorry, got to go oil or shellac. If you can smell it, your respirator isn't working. Shave to get a better seal on your face.
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Wash the room with Krud Kutter. Use a sponge mop.

Prime with what ever.

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Nothing but shellac or oil will work. Everything else will bleed.

You need to allow the primer to dry overnight to finish curing sometimes as well if the nicotine is really thick.
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Talk about timing. I'm working on a place that a guy smoked in for like 30 years. Place is a wreck. Mold grease. Nicotine........I worry no primer will stand up to it all. The owner dropped of a bucket of latex kilz 2 and I never had luck with it before.

Was wondering what would be the ultimate stain hides for this
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Talk about timing. I'm working on a place that a guy smoked in for like 30 years. Place is a wreck. Mold grease. Nicotine........I worry no primer will stand up to it all. The owner dropped of a bucket of latex kilz 2 and I never had luck with it before.

Was wondering what would be the ultimate stain hides for this
Don't waste your time with Kilz 2 or any water base, BIN shellac is your best bet.
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Talk about timing. I'm working on a place that a guy smoked in for like 30 years. Place is a wreck. Mold grease. Nicotine........I worry no primer will stand up to it all. The owner dropped of a bucket of latex kilz 2 and I never had luck with it before.

Was wondering what would be the ultimate stain hides for this
Wash the place.

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Wash the place.

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With a bulldozer?. It's a sad unit. I have been cutting down the heavy grease build up like in kitchen. I don't think the structure would hold up if sheetrock was replaced. It's in an area where most of these older places are leveled and built with new
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Talk about timing. I'm working on a place that a guy smoked in for like 30 years. Place is a wreck. Mold grease. Nicotine........I worry no primer will stand up to it all. The owner dropped of a bucket of latex kilz 2 and I never had luck with it before.

Was wondering what would be the ultimate stain hides for this
That reminds me of that last place I did. Nicotine sagging heavily on the windows. The whole place sticky with that odd sweet smell. Mice corridors packed behind the pulled based cabs. But looked new almost when I was done.

Ever since I've had not too much of a desire for a sequel.

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I avoid jobs where HO's are or were heavy smokers. The stench makes me gag.
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My last big nicotine job, we had to wash the ceiling ten times to get it off. TSP substitute is your friend. Luckily, it was only the basement ceiling.

We also had to shoot the basement twice with Kilz. Two mist coats is better than one thick coat. Kilz can reactivate the nicotine, as well as other stains, if it is put on too thick.

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...Kilz can reactivate the nicotine, as well as other stains, if it is put on too thick.
That I did not know.

I stay away from washing flat/drywall ceilings.

What about Kilz odorless. Is it worth anything?
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Cleaner mixed in water. It's a by gone concept I guess.

Sometimes cleaning and prep is the best answer. You'll probably save time over fighting with a bad surface to work with.

I use Krud Kutter.

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Wash the room with Krud Kutter. Use a sponge mop.

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Is it better than TSP for nicotine?
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Cleaner mixed in water. It's a by gone concept I guess.

Sometimes cleaning and prep is the best answer. You'll probably save time over fighting with a bad surface to work with.

I use Krud Kutter.

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I like your ideas but what about the OSB - the nicotine is down in it, went through the carpet and pad and its been lifted (another chain smoker) - would you get the wood wet with cleaner? I've seen what wetness can do to OSB.

I'd hate to see the lungs.

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