Roller Marks In Dark Paint.

cutnroller

Hey yall sorry for the absence the new biz is up and running nicely and have a bunch of jobs under my belt now. However, today i got a call back on a job I did last week (the first callback after about 20 jobs). Here is the lowdown....

Had to repaint a dark red/burgundy wall in a commercial space that had been repaired by a restoration company. The wall had a number of patches that had been sanded and left for the painter. I finish sanded the patches, sealed them and they dissappeared completely very nice I thought.

Customer is now complaining that he can see the roller marks in the paint. There were roller marks on the wall when I first went to see the job, and I pointed out those to him as well as the texture so he didnt think it was my fault if they showed through after.

So I think I will have to go back and repaint it regardless of whose fault it is. Question is, should I resand the whole wall to try to remove the roller marks, or just try to put another heavy coat over top.

Paint is dark burgandy, eggshell finish latex. This is the second time I have run into this problem in my years of painting, and not sure if my technique is lacking when it comes to darker paints or what? Any tips on applying darker colours with a roller? I have been using good brushes/rollers and keeping the paint very wet as I go and trying not to fuss with too much. What am I missing?

Brushslingers

Texture or not?

[edit] Oh, and did you use a gray primer for that red wall or....

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cutnroller

ya to be more clear.... the wall was already painted and i was repainting with the same colour. so coverage not an issue. the patches went away completely. the wall did not flash. its just the texture of the roller marks that you can see in a certain light and at a certain angle. the wall is not textured except for the normal slight roller texture that you get.

it doesnt help that this wall directly faces the shop windows in the front and shows up everything. its just that if i go back in to repaint i want to go with as much advice/tips/knowledge as possible to see if i can avoid the roller marks completely. im thinking of sanding out as much texture as possible, using flowtrol and just do it again.

slickshift

Biggest causes of roller marks:

Cheap Paint
Cheap Sleeves
Bad Technique

For deep red/burgundy I'd recommend BM AquaVelvet, or SWP Deep Colors
...if you want for sure K/A coverage go with the Deep Colors
As much as I like BM, that Deep stuff really does the deep colors great

I'd recommend at least a quality 50/50 wool/poly with a 1/2" nap

Make sure your not trying to squeeze every last drop out of the sleeve
You should be laying the paint on, not pushing it in

If you've got all that, it may be you need to focus a little more on technique
The reds are the hardest, and that sheen
It's not like a flat off-white where you may get by with a cheep roller, or some iffy paint, or some sloppy technique

For deep reds you've got to be on top of it all

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Originally Posted by ModernStyle I have never used this crap before and I pray to the paint gods that I never have to use it again, I would rather use Behr

KellyPainting

What kind of paint did you use ...Brand?

Brushslingers

That, is a key element.

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Benn

cutnroller

i had to use General Paint (dont know if they have that in the states)as it was what was used originally, and the store owner and renovator both insisted on it because they were worried about colour match.

not my normal paint. hate it generally . i know it was low quality as soon as i touched it. what can you do........ thats why i always insist on my own paints as I know how they will behave.

Brushslingers

Sorta like when you spec Porter acri-pro and they bring joe and company 50/50. Hehe... ya sounds like you'll have to repaint it about three more times however, tell the owner "look, this isn't a good paint, you buy a gallon of what I ASK you to buy and i'll guaranteeeeeee it, otherwise, you get this last coat." Unless of course, you didn't cover yourself in your contract with type and quality of paint......

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Benn

ProWallGuy

I'd use a 3/4" 50/50, slather it on, and keep backrolling to remove the roller marks. But, the ones all ready there need to be sanded off, or they will still show.

Edit, it says you showed the owner the marks before you started. No way would I do it over for free. That call was on them, and they chose to have you paint it anyways. Don't ever eat someone else's mistake.

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KellyPainting

Paint...... plain and simple.... still sand... but replace paint.

jself52

Sand. Apply one coat in a flat sheen. Resand. Apply the eggshell finish with a 14 inch 50/50 blend 1/2 inch roller nap to cover more surface. By using this system you may reduce the existing multible layers of sheen that may possibly magnify slight imperfections from previous coats of paint and have only one uniform layer of the eggshell finish. I would typically use the 9 inch roller for finishing walls, but the added 5 inches of using a 14 inch nap may be benefitial in this situation. I do know that reds are a pain in the a** at times. Good luck with this call back.