Re-paint Steps...How Do You Other Pros Do It?

bobbyacro

Never understood this, if you can tape a line you can paint it. Why not be more efficient and just paint the crap? Youre right though, cities are the only market where people want painting done quickly, most of the people I talk to out here in the country want it to take as long as possible. Chicago cant even make pizza right, cant imagine their paint jobs. 80 grit?????????? Do you think these guys are painting with a old shoe on their rollers?

Mr. Mike

I have had several guys come from Chicago to here and Paint for me. Most of them do want to use tape on everything just like this thread goes, I was never able to convince them tape was not needed on these things but in the end they no longer work here.

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nEighter

I could definitely see if you are protecting trim from over spray or splatter from a roller, how this would help, but it would be a tape machine with paper added, not just "tape".

Wolfgang

The same old arguement has been going on for years. Simple: If the customer wants to see tape on their baseboards thats what they get, they're the ones writing the check. I'm sure most all of us can cut a straight line. Either way the customer wants to see it, it makes no difference to me. Time is never an issue when it comes to protecting surfaces and belongings, and the cost of a roll of tape and masking shouldnt affect your margins if you bid it right.

Big Shoe

I don't mask every job but when I do the time it takes to mask seems to speed up the paint time. Kinda like a washout.

WisePainter

Time = Money

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ModernStyle

It is funny when I hear guys say tape is too expensive, I dont get it. I include everything in the quote, if I was painting an exterior and using a helicopter instead of an extension ladder it would not cost me a dime, it is all in the quote. If an HO isnt going to hire me because I had to charge an extra $50 for 10 rolls of tape then that is not someone that I would want to work for.
I include everything in the price, from wear and tear on brushes and rollers, to gas to get to and from the job. Sometimes I cant come up with a price on site because of this, so I guess I am lucky I dont live in KY or Mr.Mike would steal all of my work.
My method is pretty much the same as the OP, I do spot prime any patches before painting though.

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Wolfgang

Wow! That's kind of profound for a Sunday morning Wise.

Kayb2

Hi everyone

My name is Kay and I'm a tapeaholic. I used tape on a job once or twice. I just couldn't help it. Please help me.


Now, where are the cookies???

thom

ignoring the differences re: taping, I do it different. Complete all the rolling and cutting at the corners/ceiling/walls, then trim then cut the walls into the trim.

I use a high gloss enamel on the trim and allow it to dry about 2 hours before cutting in the flat wall paint. Once the gloss is dry it takes two coats to cover with the flat but if I cut in while the enamel is tacky it takes one coat.

As for tape, I use it to measure the job. My preference is fat max.

vandyandsons

i thought you left us for greener pastures?

i don't think you are qualified to chime in on any tecnique related posts.

dude, you painted a bedroom. i did more high end work last week then you have ever done or ever will.

stick with flooring sales.

vandyandsons

[quote=Mellison;660587]Vandy,
Just a diference in opinion
Don't get your panties in a bunch.
NYC is pretty big as well and I have never seen painters here use tape for this purpose.
Not saying it is never done.
Just that I havn't seen it done by a pro.

OK, maybe NYC is a big market

I learned this trade working for a shop that does over $40,000,000 in salse a year....that painting and decorating contracts only.

We also did the new Yankee stadium to give an idea of some of the jobs they do.

Heres how they do their high end residential ideally:
Run the cielings, Run the trim package, mask of horizontal surfaces subject to fallout from the walls (if trim is dried enough to do so), run the walls.

Gentleman, its called production painting.

I can paint all my trim, mask it off, and run my walls as quick as most guys can freehand the trim to the walls as the last step.

Some idiot remarked that it takes as long to mask baseboards as it does to freehand paint it

Try it boys, the time you make splashing your trim paint onto the walls then masking off your horizontal trim before you run your walls will be awesome.

Just let your trim package dry overnight.

Remember fellas, saved man-hours in the field is what it's all about.

vandyandsons

Mr. Mike,

Why don't I believe you?

Maybe because guys don't leave a market like Chicago to go be a "pro" in Hoot'n'holler Kentucky.

Like I told another guy, I learned this business in one of the biggest 2 shops in the country.

at over $40,000,000 per year in annual sales....maybe you can learn a thing or two from them about making money like I did

....and they mask base.


no doubt, you can do it your way and surely make it look good. If you are nearly as successful as you represent yourself, you probably do great work.

If you want to be faster and optimize your efficiency, try it my way.


Logic: Is it faster to only cut the walls in sharp, or to cut both the walls and trim in sharp too?

Mr. Mike

Not sure why you don't let me state that the state of Kentucky is not a union over run state like Chicago. How many non union shops do you have in Chicago around 20? and how many is here like 800 and only like 4 union shops.


You worked for a company that does over 40 million a year, I doubt very seriously that they ever did repaints on high end houses, thats more like a blow and go company that uses tape.

I have never seen or heard of a picket line against painters in Louisville.

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Mr. Mike

I paint my trim and get a little on the walls, then I laser line the wall paint to this. The base is done last and with the little bit of wall paint I cut on to it I will now create a straight line with the base paint.

Your doing all this and using tape, I don't understand.

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WisePainter

It took some doing, this morning was turbulent.


Hey, I got dibs on hammering bobby!

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WisePainter

Did you say "laserline" a trim line over the baseboard to which you cut the wall paint along?

wtf?

I have been trolled, the point goes to you Mike.

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Wolfgang

Real painters dont need no stinkin' lasers!

vandyandsons

I think that the "laserline" is more of a figure of speech.

Kentucky hasn't discovered lasers yet.

It must be faster to cut the walls sharp at the ceiling, brush the base in semi sharp splashing ever so slightly onto the walls, cut the walls back into the base sharp (laserline), then finally recut the base sharp (laserline) back into the walls.

Your right Mike, that does sound faster and more productive than only cutting the walls in sharp at the ceiling line and at the vertical trim locations.

The shop I was trained at which shall remain nameless, does about 5-10% of it's sales in high end residential repaints. Thats a meager $2-4 million only in high end repaints.

Most shops in Chicago and the Chicagoland area are non-union believe it or not. Some of them are even profitable and are represented by some contractors on this site.

I was union trained over a 3 year apprenticeship. Thourough training in prep, brush & roll, spray, specialty spray, drywall finishing, faux, wood finishing, safety etc...

I know down south where the "pros" handle their business, y'all think that unions are bad, but in my neck of the woods where we don't marry first cousins, unions are quite the pros.

Mike, i think what yo do works for you, nd I know what I do works for me so we may have to agree to disagree.

Mr. Mike

Complete Room:

Paint Ceiling bringing some ceiling paint down on to the wall roughly 1/2 inch.

Paint all wood work except baseboards. Running a little trim paint on to the wall roughly 1/2 inch.

Cut in the walls up to all trim except the base using no tape or fired and leave a line that is so perfect you would think we used a laser. Run some of your cut wall paint over the lip of the baseboards.

Then when the walls are dry paint the stinking base, your little bristles should leave a crisp line along the wall.

And since we keep going on about this tape, why is there ever a need to use tape on a whole room repaint.

Yes I do great work, and I am pretty positive you do as well. It will be Ok if we agree to disagree on this and a few other things I am sure we can find something else to agree on in the future.

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