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GoodPainter · 10-05-2006, 11:09 PM

I visited a HO today that wanted some work done

Ext porch ceiling, one ext window, door

and

ALL the trim inside int. house 3 BR, LR, Kit, Hall, bath includes

18 door trim only, 13 windows, and 100 lin ft of baseboard

all trim is smooth like baby's bottom HO said oil, I said prob oil but could have addittive to level with latex(didnt test with rubbing alch)
few minor chips and couple flakes on windows--there we both seen that there is only one coat poss. two in some places, down to wood doesnt look like primer was use but no major issues here with adhesion, paint tight and still nice

THE PROBLEM- must be original paint-- HO said he remodled the kitch recent and found date of 1956-- DOES this mean LEAD?

i came up with estimate(told him it will be a day or few to get to him) of $2876 for all inc. materials saying 1 coat oil primer to seal lead(wont be sanding any hardcore, only little after primer and patch) and 2 top/finish latex-he wants switched over to latex

Also they have a PARROT that is sensitive-it might react to oil base primer--should I ask if the parrot be babysat for a week or two or do i not need to use oli primer to seal lead(if it is) and to switch from oil to latex

should I call the HO and ask if I can test for lead and oil before giving the estimate?

Please help

PS- should i put in contract(special) that not responsble for parrot if they cant find baby sitter

Thanx

Robert

AFI · 10-06-2006, 06:30 AM

This is what I gave to the customers about VOC's

VOC’s & FORMALDEHYDES INFORMATION

Volatile Organic Compounds are chemical compounds that easily evaporate (volatile) and contain one or more carbon atoms (organic). Formaldehyde is problably the most common VOC found in homes. Here are some other common VOC's: gasoline, benzene, alcohol, toluene, xylene, terpentine, cleaning chemicals. VOC's can be found in many different types of building materials and home products, such as: paint, solvents, caulking, tobacco smoke, construction adhesives, particle board shelving & kitchen cabinets, laminated wood veneer furniture, wall paper, particle board subflooring, interior-grade plywood, urea-formaldehyde foam insulation, dyes, inks, medicines, new carpet outgassing, carpet padding, carpet adhesives, hair products, paper products, cleaning products, etc. Medical journals have documented the negative effects of VOC, formaldehyde exposure to include: dizziness, nausea, fatique, reduced limb strength, headaches, eye, nose, throat irritation, breathing difficulties, shortness of breath, excessive phlegm, dermatitis, chest pain, wheezing, diarrhea, vomiting, etc. Formaldeyhde and other VOC's have been linked to cancer in animal studies. Most people fail to realize that indoor air pollution levels can be far worse than outdoor air pollution.

Formaldehyde Identifiers: BFV, Fannoform, Formalin, Formalith, Formic Aldehyde, Formol, Fyde, HCHO, Ivalon, Karsan, Lysoform, Methanal, Methyl Aldehyde, Methylene Oxide, Morbicide, Oxomethane, Oxomethylene, Paraform, Superlysoform.

Note: Most state laws mandate manufacturers use the term VOC on their product labels (for paints, solvents, etc.), in New Jersey the term VOS is used (it stands for volatile organic substances).

I received this information of the potentials of the VOC’s and Formaldehyde.

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Printed Name
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Signature
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Date

Look at this link on terms Item o.

http://www.contractortalk.com/f8/contract-terms-13080/

Cover you Back

AFI · 10-06-2006, 06:33 AM

LEAD PAINT NOTICE

Federal law requires that you receive the pamphlet, “Protect Your Family From Lead In Your Home”, if your property was built before 1978, before any work begins in your property. Please sign and date the following statement confirming that you have received this information.

___ EPA747-K-99-001 Protect Your Family From Lead In Your Home (English Version)

___ EPA747-K-99-001 Proteja a Su Familia Contra el Plomo en el Hogar (Spanish Version)

I have received a copy of the pamphlet, “Protect Your Family From Lead in Your Home”, informing me of the potential risk of lead exposure from renovation activity to be performed in my dwelling unit. I received this pamphlet before work began.

__________________________________
Printed Name

__________________________________
Signature

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Date

Please feel free to call our office with any questions or concerns you may have. Remember that work on your home cannot begin until we have received your signed statement.

Sincerely,

Your name and title

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http://www.contractortalk.com/f8/contract-terms-13080/

AFI · 10-06-2006, 06:36 AM

You can donwload the
EPA747-K-99-001 Protect Your Family From Lead In Your Home

http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/pyfcame...r%20Home%20%22

Brushslingers · 10-06-2006, 09:02 AM

AFI!

BMAN · 10-06-2006, 10:17 AM

It does not need to be oil primer. Trust me we have the strictest lead law in the country up here. you are better off going over the oil paint with a bonding primer. if you scuff the surface just make sure you keep children away and wear a respirator. clean up with a hepa filter. again this is at the homeowners discretion. inform them and charge accordingly to what they want done. you are not sealing the lead permantly you are applying whats known as interim controls.

Exroadog · 10-06-2006, 02:27 PM

The most common VOC........H2O....water!

**slickshift** · 10-06-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodPainter

THE PROBLEM- must be original paint-- HO said he remodled the kitch recent and found date of 1956-- DOES this mean LEAD?

Probably
It must be considered as such

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodPainter

Also they have a PARROT that is sensitive-it might react to oil base primer--should I ask if the parrot be babysat for a week or two

Absolutely
-regardless of the process you are going to use (latex/oil)
Parrots are extremely sensitive
You can kill one by heating up a Teflon pan with nothing in it for too long

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodPainter

should I call the HO and ask if I can test for lead and oil before giving the estimate?

Not if your process is going to be the same regardless of the test results

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodPainter

PS- should i put in contract(special) that not responsble for parrot if they cant find baby sitter

Absolutely

Woz the Painter · 10-07-2006, 02:56 PM

I'd make sure to have the parrot in the same room , area where work is being done. If he kicks the bucket, you'll know some kind of toxic substance was involved. Kind of like coal miners years ago taking a canary down with them in the mine shaft.

**slickshift** · 10-07-2006, 04:24 PM

Canaries don't cost $5000 and (unless exposed to paint fumes) live to 75 or 100 years old
Lol

Woz the Painter · 10-07-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by slickshift

Canaries don't cost $5000 and (unless exposed to paint fumes) live to 75 or 100 years old
Lol

OK, take the parrot to a clean room, buy a canary and see if he/her kicks the bucket...

GoodPainter · 10-08-2006, 08:58 PM

Thanx Guys

I have printed the pamplet and will use every job and I will have a signature before starting any work.

I will also have them sign a sheet stating that i will not be liable for the parrot.

Thanx again,

Robert

Does $2800 sound reasonable for this job?

rws · 10-08-2006, 09:51 PM

It sounds low.How many hours to complete this job?

Woz the Painter · 10-08-2006, 11:27 PM

You charge 28,000...

Richard · 10-09-2006, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Does $2800 sound reasonable for this job?

Not sure. Depends on the paint quality. How much money is being spent on supplies? And how long will this take you? Example....

If you have $600 in supplies and it takes you 60 hours to complete, you're making $36/hr. If you spend less than that on supplies or labor, you'll make more.

You might end up sweatin' a bit to make a profit.

GoodPainter · 10-09-2006, 07:30 AM

I am estimating about 60 hrs plus $350 supplies
then add some profit

Robert

rws · 10-09-2006, 05:15 PM

I think for your area 40 a man hour is good. So the price is ok if you can do it in 60 hours.