Peeling Ceiling Paint

jerome8283

I'm about to renovate my main bath. The ceiling has had an area where the paint is peeling from the ceiling. This is an area just outside the shower. It appears the previous home owner did not use the appropriate paint/primer when painting the ceiling. I scrapped the pieces that were hanging however it's not the entire ceiling, just a small section. I've attached pictures. If you look closely you can see the area I scrapped away, down to the previous layer of paint.

Do I need to scrap the entire ceiling, removing this entire layer? Or, is there a primer I can use on top of this and repaint?

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PlainPainter

use some mad-dog primer over the whole ceiling and repaint - you will be glad you did.

reveivl

Is there a fan in there?

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jerome8283

Thanks. Does this need to be ordered or can I get it at my local hw store?

jerome8283

Yes. It will be replaced though.

mrpaintguy

Your best bet is to scrape all that will come loose, tap areas with the butt of your scraper handle to test for looseness.After scraping is complete- wipe peeled areas to ensure no chalk is there, use a top line oil based stain sealer over the whole ceiling(before any patching or skimming, reprime over patching, if a flat finish is desired then I would topcoat with a good oil based flat enamel such as Ben Moore calcimine recoater.

HudsonCont

I find oil primer does well in bathrooms with little ventalation.

BCPNJ

I agree with all above.

After your prep work,what I use in painting bathroom ceilings with the same problem is an exterior paint. I use BM, but any exterior latex should do the trick.

Good luck and get a powerfull fartfan.

Sir Mixalot

What's that dark spot in the lefthand corner of the picture?

jerome8283

There are 3 or 4 spots (mold) on the ceiling.

Sir Mixalot

Sounds like it's geting wet. From the shower?

jerome8283

It's from the humidity. The family doesn't always use the fan and the bath is small.

Thag

I think it's time to have a family meeting

Sir Mixalot

Is that a flat paint on the ceiling? Get everyone to start using the fan. And if it is flat paint on the ceilng, then after repairing and priming, paint w/ a semi-gloss enamel.

Jonesey

Looks to me like the popcorn texture is coming off. You're better off getting rid of the rest of it instead of patching it. A nice slide or knockdown texture looks better anyway.

To get rid of the rest of the texture, spray it down with warm water, and lots of it, then what doesn't fall off, peel off gently with a 6" broad knife. Leave the fan on for about a day to let the drywall breathe then float any nicks and seams smooth. After that, I'd suggest a hock and trowel texture. Just mix your mud pretty thin, pour it out in a tub, then take your hock and push it down in the mud, then stick it on the ceiling. Move it around at random, being sure to apply mostly even amounts of mud to the whole ceiling. Once the tips of the mud start to dry, gently trowel down the points evenly, starting with the corner of the room that's most dry.

Spend some time experimenting on some scrap gypsum before you texture the whole ceiling to get the results you want. Remember, thicker mud equals thicker texture. Thicker texture is harder to paint.

After the texture is dry (at least 24 hours) you can then oil prime and paint with a good quality acrylic. Zinnser Coverstain is a good brand that's available in most places.

You might want to replace all the popcorn texture in your house. That's what I did, and I don't regret it. It's darn near useless as soundproofing, which is its only purpose and looks dated if you ask me. A good texture is much easier to patch as well.

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dincao

What about the texture on the ceiling? when you patch are you going to add texture to match exisiting finish?

dincao

I guess you beat me to the punch jonesy!!! good ideas

Sir Mixalot

Jonesey, You are right. If that is popcorn in a bathroom w/ a shower get rid of it. For some reason in the picture I thought it was a heavy Orange Peel texture.

jerome8283

The pic is close up and the ceiling may appear to be textured but it's not. After looking at it again, it isn't smooth and does have a textured appearance if you look at it closely. I do not want the textured appearance so I'm thinking the best approach is to remove as much as possible and use an oil based flat enamel topcoat after applying an oil based stain sealer over the whole ceiling as suggested.

Sir Mixalot

That's a textured ceiling. Just sayin.