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Painting By Square Ft.?
my question is if the rate per sq ft still 5 dollars sqft jus the labor or any change in recent years. thnak you
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
The rate can vary greatly
....that sounds high though-is that Canadian or something? Whatcha paintin'?
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
Did you say 5 bucks a sq foot for painting? Give me your address, I'll be there tomorrow.
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Good point Paying or charging? Paying, I'll get there before Woz
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
Woohoo!! $5 sq. ft.?? That sounds high even for measuring by floorspace if you ask me. I do all mine by sq. ft. of surface area. Sometimes it will be as low as .30 sq. ft. depending on the product and substrate. Arriving at the sq. ft. number is done by figuring your hourly rate, production rate, and coverage/cost of paint. My software does it all for me when it comes to that part.
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
this is a estimate from home tech cost estimator.
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...jammin
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Might want to estimate that one right into the trash there... Lol Are you sure you're reading/figuring that right?
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...but not too much What software does that for you AA? It coverts it to sq. ft.? You punch in HR/PR/CC?
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
Many painters in our area estimate by the sf of floor space. I never understood that concept. What if they have 14 doors, 30 windows with panes, stained base and other brush-work, furniture to move, etc. They either put it to the client or themselves. In all fairness an itemized estimate of wallspace, # of doors, windows, trim etc works best. In painting a one size fits all price has never worked for me.
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
unfortuneately price per sq. ft. wasn,t invented by painters, but by pencil pushers trying to squeeze their budgets. but having had to deal with it for some time it can have its advantages. Most new construction painters can make quick work of bidding in a given market by a few observations-
-ceiling height/vaulted ceilings -trim door style/moulding style -cabinets pre-finished or not? -color scheme although its not scientific the reality is every other trade bids work based on per sq. ft. and architects and builders look over bids with cost per sq. ft. i'm one of the highest paid painters in our area. i learned a long time ago that my competitors want to play the cost per sq. game,so i let them! SELL YOUR SKILLS , SELL YOUR QUALITY , SELL YOUR DEPENDABILITY !!! i have no problem charging more per sq. ft. vs.my compeitors because my clients are getting the best job for THEIR $$$ |
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
mister simmons tell me how you estimate? are you using any program or you have formula i will like to learn. thank you.
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
If I understand your question you want a program that will get you the work at a high profit, and figure variables so you can estimate these jobs easier? Sorry I dont have one. If you want to learn per.sq./ft.
here's what I would do- -meet the bulders in your area ,find out what painters are competing for -talk to your paint rep. They want to sell paint,and will usually be willing to help you get into the market with their product. -realize that per.sq/ft is flexible you dont try the same rate with every similiar situation. adjust to variables, be flexible but the number one thing is sell your abilties even if you know your being underbid. tell your potential client why your paint is the best. you'd be surprised how far that this can take you. |
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
i also checked out home tech cost estimator ( www.costestimator.com )...but i didn't see it showing $5 /sqft....was wondering if anyone out there has checked out there program and whether they think there rates are accurate.
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
"i also checked out home tech cost estimator ...but i didn't see it showing $5 /sqft....was wondering if anyone out there has checked out there program and whether they think there rates are accurate."
I just checked a job i had already quoted with that estimator you gave and it came out with $60 higher than my quote, so for my area it came pretty close.
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
just bringing this to the top...anyone else checked out this home tech cost estimator??
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AA, it sounds like the program is much less generic than the usual ones (estimating book/software) which most of us have found to not really work for us anyways It sounds like it uses "your" numbers (which is usually the advice given here for est. Qs) My Q: With all that punching in data, is it really saving you time/money? That's a lot of data And I know what my production rate is, would I have to punch in my helper's too? I usually charge by an average production rate I'm pretty quick, and I "hose" myself if I use actual production rates for myself Do you actually punch in production rates for SWP primer vs. BM and Pitts? The cost per gallon can actually vary, shops are limited and distances can be far out here And prices can vary greatly (picture Island prices...you pay greatly for not having to go to the mainland for it), if I pu the paint at the shop down the road from the job, it could easily save me an hour + travel time, but I'll pay an extra $5-$15 bucks a gallon Is there a mechanism for that sort of thing? What about Fudge Factors and PITA charges? .....maybe this should be a new thread...lol....
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
Hmmm, I've been using a UK estimating software called "Fast Estimate" for a few years, but that Estimate Works Paint Pro looks like it ups the ante a bit.
I think on balance that punching in dimensions and getting a pre-formatted bid proposal out the other end is faster than doing it on paper, but you have to get your rates into the thing first, which does take time. And I don't fancy doing it all over again! Basically its just a database (of rates, times, costs etc.) from which you pick out the ones you need for the particular situation. And if, say the cost of paint varies for this particular job, then you can edit the numbers for that particular job only. My one gripe with the one I use is that the items are shown on the estimate as money, and not as time, and so if I want to schedule the job by task, I have to manually convert the labour cost from money to time - which is a pain. Also, sharing customer details between accounting software and estimating one would be ideal Feel free to move this to another thread |
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Actually, it is saving time. Aside from having to enter the products, production rates, etc...having it formatted quickly is a big time saver. When I estimate something that's allready in there it goes real quickly. I simply put in the sq. ft., area name, etc and it spits right out. When this beta is complete it has the option to print an estimate, print contracts, print reports, etc. The reports tell you exactly how many gallons of paint and how many man hours, room by room. You can have it print detailed reports or work orders as well. It will do the contract or estimate with totals only, or with prices for each area....It keeps a database of your customers and their estimates (once saved).
For your production rates, I would just insert an avg you expect to be able to put out with the helper included. The rate adjustment screen has these areas you can adjust: Paint Covering, Door Styles, Window Styles, Deck or Floor styles, fascia styles, soffit styles, area extras, area description, site description, warranty comments, include comments, estimate text. The amount of areas is unlimited. You can have 100 if you want. You can add unlimited extra fees, or one time fees. For fudge or PITA, usually I just go in and adjust the production rate or adjust the hourly rate to compensate. The program has a feature to increase or decrease the total by a percentage...you just click up or down. Everything is editable...so you can account for just about anything. It takes some time getting all the different coatings put in...but it's worth it. I do have separate numbers for each and every type of coating from any manufacturer. Under "paint covering" section or "door styles" section, I have an item for each type of paint, even doors, I make a separate item depending on the coating or level of prep, and different ones if it's 6 panel or those old 3 panel, flat door, whatever. It's a ton of data, but as you do estimates it gets put in, and each successive one becomes easier. You can make that part as simple or as complex as you like..I prefer having the separate rates for absolutely everything. Another good reason for that is, it inputs the title of whatever I coating I choose, etc. Here is a sample of one contract: Quote:
Hope that helps some.
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Re: Painting By Square Ft.?
AA
ooooooooooo...pretty... Me=Likes I'll have to check that out more closely later THX!
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