Paint Stained Wood

jmthouston

jamb and doors need painting

and stain is glossy. I want to sand clean then prime but can i just bonding primer.

xim and Preprite bond say may adhere to glossy surfaces

would y'all use it?

or what would y'all do to not sand.


jmt

Brushslingers

Id use an alcohol primer and sand... takes ALOT of work away from running over old glossed wood.

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DeanV

I would sand and hit it with something like coverstain. I love BIN, but it burns through edges when you sand it since it does not build thick and I wonder if it is more prone to chipping than a more flexible primer.

Joewho

That's not a whole lot of sanding. You only need to sand enough to dull the glossy surface for an excellent bond.

If you want to do it without sanding, xim and preprite will do as good as any bonding primer, but for the little effort of sanding, you get a much better job.

slickshift

Light/scuff sanding
Solvent-based primer

Zinsser's Cover Stain
Or if it's dark stained wood, Zinsser's B-I-N

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slickshift

Not an issue

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gary lee

I am a creature of habit, so I always scuff the surface a little. Prime with xim or coverstain. Would any of you have faith in the latex bonding primers holding up/doing the job in this situation?

Gary

jmthouston

thanks all

going with a lite sand and preprite


Never used alcohol primer. Who manufactures it? Better than a bonding primer?


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Originally Posted by jmthouston
jamb and doors need painting

and stain is glossy.

would y'all use it?

or what would y'all do to not sand.

Light/scuff sanding
Solvent-based primer



Zinsser's Cover Stain
Or if it's dark stained wood, Zinsser's B-I-N


it is dark wood.

why do u recommend zinsser's BIN?

Would it take coat away?

jmt AGAPE

slickshift

Not sure what coat away is


The BIN, it's a better stain blocker, and frankly it has unbelievable adhesion
I'd recommend it for any time going over stain really
But the truth is it's stinky, you need fresh air and a respirator
And doesn't apply real well (it's watery), and being shellac, you might as well use a throw away brush to apply it

The oil-based will usually work OK
But the BIN is a better stain blocker

So on something lighter colored, I might use Z's Cover Stain
If it's darker. I'll use Z's BIN for sure

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slickshift

Not really
But I haven't used a lot of latex primers in this situation
The creature of habit thing....

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jmthouston

to take a coat away



I would use two coats on lighter wood color and since u stated another product for darker wood I may have to use three.

that is if I don't use Z's BIN.

MakDeco

I have had some sucess with Z's 123 before if smell was an issue with HO's but Bin or Cover Stain are great for that purpose.

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Brushslingers

Your answer - Zinsser's B-I-N

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DeanV

As far as the waterbase primers, I have found then will adhere fine if you sand properly, but sometimes there will be bleed through, even from wood such as light oak.

AAPaint

I agree....BIN it is. Sometimes we will use pro-block or the 123 if we have homeowners/children present during the painting indoors, but even then, we end up following up with a solvent based primer to lock out bleed through.

Anything water based takes the chance of liquifying the stain and/or wood tannins and bleeding through.

For things in this condition (already stained/poly'd) we always sand good, tack, prime, sand lightly (220 grit), tack, and two finish coats.

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