Okay, I Give Up... What's The Inside Joke With Behr Paint?

steve-in-kville

After reading through many month's of the back posts, I get the idea that Behr paint must somewhat of a joke here. I've used some of their stuff, but can't say its the best (or the worst). Anyone care to fill me in?

Thanks!!

steve

ProWallGuy

No inside joke, just most (if not all) painting contractors know it's at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to paint. I won't use it at all. The only reason most homeowners use it is because they believe the big money marketing machine. The stuff is weak and unworthy.

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slickshift

If there is something worse, please warn me now
Seriously
I've never used anything worse


The only good thing I can say about it is I'm sure it's got me a few jobs from DIYers that use it and think that's how torturous painting is supposed to be, with mediocre to bad results, so the next time they call a pro

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Originally Posted by ModernStyle I have never used this crap before and I pray to the paint gods that I never have to use it again, I would rather use Behr

Humble Abode

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We have discussed Behr (not to mention all the other HD brands and Lowes, etc.) to death...

Final conclusion from all our combined experience: 99% of us think it's crap and resent the fact that we get asked to use it by customers, who are only basing their paint knowledge on an article they read in a Home Depot...

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steve-in-kville

Okay, but why does it cost more than some of the Glidden paint (which I've been very happy with as a topcoat). Some of the prices of Behr comes close to SW's lower-end stuff, and the Home Depot paint dept. people always tell me how Behr came out on top of some "independant study" that left SW in the dust.

Is this all BS or is there something to this?? I have no intentions of starting an argument, but as a landlord, this subject can cost me hundreds of dollars a year.

steve

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Mike Finley

Steve, the proof is always in the pudding. I'm no painter but even I can tell the difference between a $15.00 gallon of paint and a $25.00 gallon of paint in the application and the final results. Even if you don't have enough time behind a brush to tell the difference for yourself, there are plenty of professional painters here that have a brush in their hand at least 5 days a week. I'm pretty sure you don't go too far astray putting your confidence in guys who are running thousands of gallons of paint a year. Ya know what I mean? People behind the counter at Home Depot for the most part are barely qualified to wait on customers yet alone give advice based on actual professional experience. Most of their professional advice is gained by talking to the paint reps and a few classes here and there, they for the most part are just repeating what they have been told to say.

Humble Abode

Hey Steve,

Read some of our past discussions on:

Consumer Reports
http://www.contractortalk.com/search...earchid=273474

and Behr
http://www.contractortalk.com/search...earchid=273476

That may help. As I've said before we have had many discussions about the big box stores and there false and misleading advertising campaigns.

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4319hendrie

Its all BS The independent study that comes to mind was consumer reports, and to the homeowner Behr looks like a perfect paint. Its cheap, and color wet is the same as the paint swatch, and it is susposed to cover in one coat, oh and its cheap. It is a very thick paint from my experiance, and dosent level well, it also tends to sag once you roll it on the wall. Can you make a room look good with it... probably, but its not going to be worth the hassle. For rental units, go to SW and get their more inexpensive paint, you will be glad in the long run.

Humble Abode

Well said Mike.

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4319hendrie

Ditto Well Put

Paul Burns

There is nothing wrong with it. They had some bad deck stuff 5-8 years ago but most is fine now.

The main reason that we don't use it is that it is a PIA to go and get it, and other companies offer good or better products anyway.

Paul

Humble Abode

Steve,

I think the advice you got in the other thread ("Rentals & Apartments: What brand paint to use....") was good.

If you aren't using thousands or even hundreds of gallons of paint a year the low end stuff at SW is fine for your purposes.

I only say this because I have seen what renters can do in a matter of three years, they trash the place or their kids write all over the walls.

Sorry for the generalization but 90% of renters don't give a damn that you spent your time and money getting those walls to look good.

Having said that I still wouldn't recommend any HD or Lowe's Paint. Get the cheap stuff at Ace or True Value first. HD and Lowe's don't need or deserve your money.

/end rant
*steps down off soap box*

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slickshift

Because it can

Like most of HD's de-spec'd products, the paint is crappier and marked up higher than you'd think

HD does not sell low priced items strictly because of volume
And they are not always the lowest price
And they have to pay for those TV ads and race cars somehow

It's super crappy, but has massive marketing behind it
It should be cheaper-in fact it used to be
But they found they could charge more for it and they do

"It's still cheaper than that over-priced stuff at the Paint Shop
After all, paint's paint right?"

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donb1959

It's crap.

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HUDSONVALLEYEXT

It works ok for me sometimes but you get what you pay for. A whole lot of customers up here in the northeast request Behr paint. The always say "the paint guy in home depot says its the best on the market" LOL. It seems like they water it down it does not cover very good. I know from experence that their clear sealer and semi deck stains only last a year or two. I think the label says 5 + years yea right

slickshift

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha.....

The dude that ten days ago got fired from the appliance dept. at Best Buy?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

Well, he would know paint...his training associate told him so

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slickshift

Excellent and accurate review

...or was that the 'inside joke'?
Either way, it's funny because it's true

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AAPaint

It's garbage. Sags, drips, runs, pulls back and looks like crap when dry, IMHO. However, they're still charging around $25-30/gallon for some of it anyway. If you're forking that much out, go to a paint store and get paint from people who only deal in paint. Buying paint at the big box stores is like trying to buy a boat from an R/V dealer...

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Squrtgun

Most semi deck stains only last 2 years on horizontals.Clear is a waste of time.The deck will be grey again in 6 months and you'll have a very unhappy homeowner on your hands.
Stick with semi transparent oils based for deck and clean and recoat in two years.Strip,brighten and restain in 4 to 5 yrs.
Olympic Max natural cedar is the only consumer grade stain we will use.We prefer Ready Seal when we can get it.

Brushslingers

Give you an example, I had a customer that wanted to buy his own paint... OK I says... here's the SPECS and listed such on my scope of work. Porter Acri-pro or SW Super paint. These are old windows on the outside, re-glaze and repaint. He comes up with Behr and stated the HD guy said it was comparable. We went through the motions and did the two coats... primer still showed through... I threw in another coat free, primer still showed through. I demanded my money, he got mad... I told him BUY WHAT I ASKED FOR AND I'LL DO ONE COAT THAT THE OTHER THREE WOULDN'T DO.

Got my money, painted the windows with Acri-pro... once. He now uses Porter on the inside of his house and swears by it.

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