Oil Vs Water Painters Choice?

415moto

if it were up to you, what do you as painter prefer, oil or water based, and on what jobs, like trim vs door?

why? in your opinions, pros and cons?

we almost always use water, unless it was already oil on the material. Ive always heard oil was more durable and lays down smoother. But for ease and cleanup, especially with HO's, we use water.
The guys at KellyMoore told us you cant even use oil inside anymore for anything, and they arent allowed to sell it to you if you plan to use it inside. Fumes are toxic or sometheing, new law in Ca they said? Anyone heard of this?

Im really just searching for the holy grail of finish quality.

KellyPainting

I use oil for several things.... (exterior) Old houses get oil base primer before 2 top coats of latex. .....anything metal inside or outside.
I feal that it bonds better, covers better, lasts longer.. as a primer.

KENNEDY

We paint all our interior trim in oil, more durable and a better looking finish. Also its sands nice between coats and touches up without flashing.

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copusbuilder

I insist my painter use oil on all interior trim. For reasons as Ted Kennedy above me listed

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KENNEDY

Ted, ha. I tell you, I sure as hell wouldn't be painting if I was related to those Kennedy's.

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Teetorbilt

Oil over oil and whatever else feels froggy. Working in older homes, I frequenty find where someone has gone latex over oil. It doesn't work.

I like oils on doors and trim as it lasts longer and you can really clean it.

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415moto

anyone hear anything about it be illegal?

the guys at the HD said the same thing, but i dont always trust them.

KENNEDY

I think different states have different enviromental regulations or VOC laws. It will be a sad day when they pry my Purdy Ox hair out of my hands here in Missouri.

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jensenconstruction

Most Oils have restrictions as to what they can be used for here in CA, so I must take the 5th on this one

slickshift

It's a state by state, and product by product thing
You may still have some SW oil, but BM has been pulled, etc...
As well you shouldn't, most are clueless and they sell crap paint
HD as an entity may have decided to drop oil, I don't know
I'm sure the corporate "you can say that..."* line is to tell people it's illegal

*"You can say that..." is a retail tool that mgmt. tells the sales people to say when objections are raised, or a product that is not carried is asked for

Sales:What if they ask for oil?
Boss: You can say that...it's illegal
(It might not be true, but you can say that)

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Originally Posted by ModernStyle I have never used this crap before and I pray to the paint gods that I never have to use it again, I would rather use Behr

slickshift

I enjoy working with oil for trim, doors, cabs, etc...
I don't get to work with it often, as most customers request latex as per VOC concerns

Truthfully the waterborne enamels are pretty good these days


Outside on the shore though, oil holds up much better

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Originally Posted by ModernStyle I have never used this crap before and I pray to the paint gods that I never have to use it again, I would rather use Behr

AAPaint

This one I think boils down to substrate and situation to determine which a painter likes more. Honestly, I prefer using latex as much as possible. It's safer, and today's formulations work just as good as oils in many situations. However, there are still things that I wouldn't even consider a water based paint for.

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KellyPainting

Never Listen To Home Depot!

415moto

where can i find a list of what is allowed and not allowed in CA? ive been looking online but i cant find much. Shops dont seem to be much better.

thanks for all the input fellas.

SgtBaldy

I've moved away from oil on interior trim because of cracking from expansion/contraction or slamming doors etc. Most homes around here though have fairly flimsy trim. In homes with substantial fancy trim with existing oil I may still use oil.

The other reason is because acrylic enamels are so much better these days. On west coast of Florida I use a product called Allgrip by Scott Paint. It is manufactured to go on top of alkyd enamels. Really great stuff,it's almost as hard and scrubbable as oil and doesn't crack at caulked joints. I haven't found an equivalent in the national brands.

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Jonesey

Personally, I like oils for interior trim, but guys here are still using white lacquer. It's a plus I can use to sell, and nobody but bargain basement is doing latex. Can't clean it, and it peels on cabinets. If I had a job I needed done asap I'd use it, but it still feels like cheating.

They'll get my alkyds when they pry them from my cold, dead hands. BTW, you're not missing anything. The KM oil pretty much sucks, IMO, except for the 1700 series.

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copusbuilder

As an undercoating?

We sometimes use it as an undercoat but the stuff is a killer. Works well though....

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painterofeveryt

about 4 years ago ...all we used was interior oil flat on the walls,you could scrub that stuff with comet and still looked great! actualy kinda miss that stuff,had such a huge stipple would easily cover a bad drywall job !

Jonesey

Yeah, sands great, dries quick, and doesn't drift like oil. Just smells really bad and ruins your appetite. The pigmented top-coat dries too hard IMO. It cracks wickedly in wet areas. We cut the undercoat and brush it when we can't spray. Sands better, just annoying to wear a mask.

Personally, I'm thinking of switching to CV for my clear on remodel kitchens, and just use lacquer on trim. Super durable and cures in three days tops! No more waiting a week to get stuff out of the shop. And no more crackling or blistering on a $2000 tabletop.

Lacquer is just so cheap though. $50 a five compared to $90 for CV, plus the vinyl sealer.

The pigmented top coat I won't use. It's cheap, and impossible to touch-up. Yellows much too fast. Alkyds are the way to go!

If you can still get SW's ProClassic in CA, that's what I'd use. Can brush straight out of the can, so no specialty training/thinning required.

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b4icount2-3

you cant use oil paint in residential homes in CA