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Old 12-29-2017, 06:58 PM   #1
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Oil Based Stain Leaching On To Stonework


This entry gate is right on the coast in La Jolla, Calif., often wet foggy damp conditions. The gate's wood is clear KD western red cedar sealed with Penofin oil based stain.

It was March this year that we prefabbed the entry and gate, stained it real well and let it dry for a week + before installing. My customer just notified me yesterday about this but it probably started happening soon after.

Wondering what to use to get it off the stone? Paint thinner? I'll probably choose a warm day when it's in the sun and the stone's warm, lay some terry rags down soaked in thinner, let it sit for 20 min then start working it with a sponge and more rags? Whatever I use, might also need a powerwash?

and, I sure don't want to use an oil based again, what's a good product for these conditions ?
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sikkens performs pretty well in the PNW, but it seems odd that any product with a week to dry in a shop would do that, have you called a penofin product rep? I would try to get them to foot the clean up costs

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well Penofin does take awhile to fully cure but as I remember weather was pretty good but yeah I've contacted them, sent these same pics.
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We do stone cleaning, but in this situation, I hate to say it but we'd never guarantee that the stain would ever fully come out.

The pigment in the wood stain was meant to be long lasting, so it will try to do that (last a long time) inside the pores of the stone.

Ask their landscape installer what kind of stone it is, can't tell from the photo.

Before I'd power wash, which might get some of the stain out, but also might distribute the color all over the stone, you might consider a wetvac instead to physically remove whatever pigment you dissolve. Not if the chem is flammable, though.

Oddly enough, you might find a carpet cleaning service that uses a type of tool called a turbo tool hooked up to a truck mounted system is what you need. It is essentially a controlled power washer with instant built in wetvac wand. That's why they can use it indoors on tile kitchen floors - no water runoff.

Paint remover by hand, nylon brushes and pads rinsing with thinner or denatured alcohol, then a high alkaline scrubbed and rinsed with a truck mounted turbo wand would likely be the best 1-2 punch.

But you might wanna ask before you start, how much would the hardscape guy barge to replace the stained pieces. His price should be the decision making price on anything you spend.

I'd feel like checking with the tech reps about the warranty on the wood stain product. Once in a while, elephants fly and companies step up to the plate and help out a user with an obvious issue...

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Oh some real good advice Clay :-) The L Archy is in Japan now but I've emailed asking what type of stone that is. What a mess .. never had this happen before.
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I would use a poultice. Basically take cheap kitty litter (just clay) spread liberally, soak in acetone, cover in plastic to slow evaporation. Tape plastic down around edges. Might take a few applications, but it should work.
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its the tannins leaching out of the cedar...whats odd is that its under a solid roof... me thinks the gardener is hosing off the structure to clean it which is releasing the tannins ...and my first move would be to powerwash
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I don't think it's tannin stains but could be a possibility.
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I don't think it's tannin stains but could be a possibility.
i guarantee you it is
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If so wouldn't oxalic acid be better then powerwashing?
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oxalic is a mild acid and could easily be used in conjunction with the power washer. The reason I would use the power washer would be to help removed any of the debris that has been compacted by foot traffic along with the other oils and contaminants from peoples shoes
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the stone is quartzite
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it appears they are running a drip system on the inside but could there be a errant sprinkler on the driveway side?? (can't tell from pics)... plus if you look at close up of gate it looks like you can see water pooling stains on bottom rail?... even a disconnected drip emitter could be shooting that way
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Been many years since I used penofin. Was finishing custom door installs on the west coast, in the south bay, similar enough conditions but not that direct with the ocean. Highly recommended by the installing carpenter. From I recall, it didn't seam to really cure as finishes typically do. Always held that rubby feel to it on the surface.

I think I'd be more concerned about those grout lines than the stone surface itself, that for all I know is a composite. Was the surface sealed?

I've used steam to draw motor oil out of concrete, with limited success. And steam to draw next-to-impossible fluorescent dyes out of carpet (through cotton rags to capture). This may be something to keep in mind . But if it were me, I'd get a sample match of the stone and lay off some penofin directly. Test out separately a couple different ways to minimize your risk. You don't want to give it a deeper seat at the install site

BTW - don't know if a sunny warm day might be best. Have you considered going out when it's foggy, the same conditions that loosened it from the gate in the first place? Try a small single dab.

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Yeah it was tannin stain, a little Oxiclean took care of it no problem.
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Yeah thanks for pointing that out to me Jerry!
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Yeah it was tannin stain, a little Oxiclean took care of it no problem.
Well, I didn't see that coming. Karma is with you.

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