Need more estimates before I can decide. - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

Mr. Mike · 04-22-2009, 12:03 AM

Showed up on time, presented my products and price and the objections were coming real quick about price. She had got an estimate last year from someone for $1500.00 and my price for Aura was 2273.00 with all the discounts and if she signs today.

I went on to explain that last years price and this years price from anyone will be much different and she agreed, but to make a very long story short she said she needed to think about it and get back with me, I said no problem let me ask you what it is your going to be thinking about and she said she would like to get more estimates. I said quickly, how many more estimates do you think you need to get? She said at least two more before she can make a decision. I replied that's great and no problem, let me show you one thing real quick before I get out of here.

I could use this product here called Acri-shield It is a great product and since the aura is a bit to expensive for you at this time let me tell you about this. I closed them at $1563.00. There is 126 linear ft. of overhang with one coat and 4 doors I did not give it away.

The moral of this story is fight the need more estimates objection with, how many more estimates do you feel you need to get? She said at least two more before she can make a decision. I replied that's great and no problem, let me show you one thing real quick before I get out of here. Now work up another price and scope of work and ask for the close.

chris n · 04-22-2009, 03:29 AM

There is 126 linear ft. of overhang with one coat and 4 doors I did not give it away.

So you basicly ripped her off for a one coat job?

Kayb2 · 04-22-2009, 05:41 AM

That's great. You saved $30.00 on a gallon of paint and dropped your price $710.00

:not worthy

. Awesome close.

boman47k · 04-22-2009, 06:43 AM

I thought something sounded a little odd about the difference in price, but did not want to do the math.

WisePainter · 04-22-2009, 08:53 AM

Oh Michael...maybe you will be like the Phoenix and rise up from your ashes?

Mr. Mike · 04-22-2009, 10:42 AM

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That's great. You saved $30.00 on a gallon of paint and dropped your price $710.00

:not worthy

. Awesome close.

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Quoted from another forum: Originally posted by Kay2B: I work in the same city as Mr Mike and I haven't seen in on here for awhile. I am a designer and wanted to get in touch with him to bid a job. Sorry if this is the wrong forum.

2 weeks later they said it was not them that typed it, so I never know what part of Kay2believe. Kay it would be much easier to if you had your company name somewhere on any of your forums you belong to.

Dear Kay,
Who is this secret Kay2b anyways? I notice the first time you tried to talk to me in a forum, you said you needed a painter and had a whole thread devoted to finding Mr. Mike and when I messaged you back you said it was not you that typed it and it took about 1 week to hear back. SO now we don't know who you are, what company you have all we know is that we both live in Louisville you type in some small local forums and a few contractor areas I do and I paint over 200 jobs a year.

What is the name of your company? Do you not know that it is twice as quick to paint with Acri-Shield than the thicker products also do you know that you will use as much as twice as much of the thicker products than you will the Acri-shield? I am a helping helper painter friend, Kay2B don't try and bust my balls with out using water they are made out of 32 year old lead based paint. I have done much for the painting industry in Louisville if you don't know that just ask around, I share my knowledge and motivation with everyone I know. My production manager made $53,000.00 last year, my salesman made over $70,000.00 last year, I think that is outstanding for a painting company in this area, and I am making roughly $2300.00 profit on all my crews today.

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I thought something sounded a little odd about the difference in price, but did not want to do the math.

Let me help with the math, saved $220.00 on paint and since it takes twice as long to apply Aura than it does to apply Acri-shield I am making out good. Its a one day job for 3 guys with the Aura it would of taken 4 guys one day. The homeowner is not paying to much or to little.

boman47k · 04-22-2009, 10:07 PM

I do not doubt you will make money.

chris n · 04-23-2009, 04:57 AM

I do not doubt you will make money.

Especially 1 coating everything.

Dave Mac · 04-23-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Mike

Let me help with the math, saved $220.00 on paint and since it takes twice as long to apply Aura than it does to apply Acri-shield I am making out good. Its a one day job for 3 guys with the Aura it would of taken 4 guys one day. The homeowner is not paying to much or to little.

mike a 126 lf of boxing around here is usually 3 ft wide wich is around 360 square ft, and would take just over one gallon of paint, and aprox 10 hr(15 lf per hour) to paint.

how wide is that boxing, (soffit), is their a lot of prep. Must be differnt then what we have around here.

thanks
dave mac

boman47k · 04-23-2009, 07:26 AM

Dave asked some of the same guestions I had typed but decided to delete.

Mr. Mike · 04-23-2009, 08:56 AM

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mike a 126 lf of boxing around here is usually 3 ft wide wich is around 360 square ft, and would take just over one gallon of paint, and aprox 10 hr(15 lf per hour) to paint.

how wide is that boxing, (soffit), is their a lot of prep. Must be differnt then what we have around here.

This is the small, sticks out 7 inches and is about 1 ft. tall., not much prep, just clean and caulk. yep about 18 to 21 man hours for the whole job.

THINKPAINTING · 04-23-2009, 09:02 PM

I must be losing it, 126 LF of trim, I myself can paint with AURA at least 50 LF per hour off a ladder, prep at least that much as well, now add some setup and clean up..........sounds like a days work but maybe we are not measuring the same animal?

When I measure trim, such as a overhang, we measure say 24 ft of OH but that includes soffit, facia, and molding, so 24 ft x 3 = 72 LF because you have 3 different runs of LF to paint.

126 LF X 2.50 a LF = $315.00 is an example if we were measuring off a print?

I just dont get why it would take 3 men all day to paint 126 LF of OH?

I am not doubting your estimate just dont quite understand....

Mr. Mike · 04-23-2009, 10:34 PM

2.50 per Ln. ft.is way to cheap, I charge as much as $19.00 per ft. on some jobs. 3 guys can paint the over hand, 4 doors and the front porch in one day.

The most Normal charge per ft. for me is around $13.00 for Aura and $8.00 for Acri-sheild and $11.00 for Duration. for one coat.

boman47k · 04-24-2009, 03:45 AM

I didn't know the front porch was included. Is this job morphing. $700 difference in brands of paint used? I think my head hurts.

With all due respect, some might think you tried to gouge them and had to get a little more reasonable when you were about lose the job.

THINKPAINTING · 04-24-2009, 05:36 AM

19.00 per LF ????? Wow, you should think abot speaking at the next PDCA Estimating semminar that is unbeliveable............

I have only been around since 70's but have never run across an estimator getting that kind of money........

Here is a photo of a porch ceiling we did, with a zip roller, had to cut around a crown molding then rolled out one coat, Aura semi gloss deep color covered one coat, so production was a little slower.

120 sq ft of area off a 4 ft step ladder, I estimated 40 sq ft an hr for this area, or 3 hrs to paint which was plenty of time........even if I went at $1.35 a LF still plenty of money comes to $162.00

At 19.00 a sq ft your at 120 LF X 19.00 = $2280 am I missing something?

couple of photos attatched for my example.-

Steve Richards · 04-24-2009, 06:48 AM

Hey thinkpainting..I coulda painted that ceiling in 20 minutes with a 9" roller...WTF?

I'd have only done it that way, if I was working by-the-hour

Dave Mac · 04-24-2009, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Richards

Hey thinkpainting..I coulda painted that ceiling in 20 minutes with a 9" roller...WTF?

I'd have only done it that way, if I was working by-the-hour

I was thinking the same thing

, maybe he was charging by the hour lol or if their was not a rollar on sight and the job had to be done right their and then and it was a last minute add on. Sometimes I would rather knock it out just do it, then go to the pint store and buy a roller cover

WisePainter · 04-24-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Richards

Hey thinkpainting..I coulda painted that ceiling in 20 minutes with a 9" roller...WTF?

I'd have only done it that way, if I was working by-the-hour

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Originally Posted by Dave Mac

I was thinking the same thing

, maybe he was charging by the hour lol or if their was not a rollar on sight and the job had to be done right their and then and it was a last minute add on. Sometimes I would rather knock it out just do it, then go to the pint store and buy a roller cover

I have used whizz rollers on medium sized bead board jobs. The whizz won't go out too far and leave paint beads that have to be knocked down quickly. Doing that will send you all over the ceiling instead of working neat rows.

I do not however butcher my whites into shorts, and wear black socks with my work boots....hideous.

EDIT: I would have charged $225.00 to paint that porch ceiling.

Mr. Mike · 04-24-2009, 08:13 AM

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120 sq ft of area off a 4 ft step ladder, I estimated 40 sq ft an hr for this area, or 3 hrs to paint which was plenty of time........even if I went at $1.35 a LF still plenty of money comes to $162.00

I start at around $300.00 for a ceiling like that one.

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At 19.00 a sq ft your at 120 LF X 19.00 = $2280 am I missing something?

120 sq. ft. of ceiling Aura, Charge $2.48 per sq.

Mr. Mike · 04-24-2009, 08:14 AM

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19.00 per LF ????? Wow, you should think abot speaking at the next PDCA Estimating semminar that is unbeliveable............

Oh that is soon to be coming...