Masking "French Style" Windows?

BobbyD

Hi everyone, new to the board and thanks for sharing some great info here!

A custom home I will be starting very soon has about 50 windows that have square panes of glass just like french doors. I'm contemplating to mask then off and spray them with my hvlp. The taping/masking will take some time, but once done I can spray multiple coats in a few days. Brainstorming this sounds great, but I was hoping to get some real world feedback from the members here.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks

AFI

What type of paint you'll use

BobbyD

Probably Benjamin Moore Satin oil. The windows will require one coat primer and two coats finish. In order to brush them a total of tree coats will take two men a least three weeks to complete.

Richard

Ok...any way you do it will take some time~painting by hand or spraying. BUT I would spray since.....they make these clear sheets sold in a box that are adhesive on the back(they are the size of printer paper). Grab a cheap paper cutter. Measure the panes and cut the sheets to size. You can cut mulitple sheets at once too. Then just stick on glass. They come off easily too. And let natural light in (very imp.)

From experience, this is the fastest way to 'mask' off windows before spraying. I would hate to paint all those by hand, although I've done it. The covering of everything else in the house is easy and self explanitory for the most part.....good luck

AFI

I was to recommend you liquid paper but is only for latex paint. it work as a primer just spray on wood and glass the whole thing, Paint 2 coats and when dry cut around glass and peel away.

BobbyD

Can you share the name or manufacturer of this product? It sounds exactly like what I need.

Richard

Bobby

Sorry to leave you hanging~I think there are different brands, but what you want are Clear Self-Adhesive Laminating Sheets. They are used for quick laminating of pictures and such, but are awesome for your task at hand. Here's a site that shows you what I mean, but do some shopping around, you could find a deal....


http://www.officeworld.com/Worlds-Bi...AVE73601/06Q4/

Joewho

Sometimes I slide something behind the pane dividers, if possible. Cardboard, plastic etc..

BobbyD

Paintguy26,

thanks for the link. I've seen that product at Staples, will check it out. If I precut the clear sheets to the correct size two men should be able to cover all the windows in a day!

Richard

Hey man, good luck~glad I could help

JMGP

Ok... I have done many new custom homes with 6/6 window sash and the thought of spraying them has never entered my mind...

What you guys have just discribed doesnt seem to be an effective method...

Let me explain...

1. Cutting the clear sheet to EXACT fit will take time. Probably could use a paper cutter for that to speed up things.
2. Placing the clear sheets will take time. They will need to be just so as to avoid extensive clean-up time (scraping windows)
3. Once all the clear sheets are installed now you will have to mask off the window track on each side perfectly (you dont want overspray to be seen anywhere)
4. You will have to hand paint the top window lip (where gasket is)
5. You will have to hand paint the bottom window lip (where gasket is)
6. You will have to hand paint the top plate ( where top window closes)
7. When your windows close... about a half inch of each window is hidden (because of the top plate and sill)so you will have to make sure your windows are open enough to get thorough coverage. Which MAY cause an overspray concern on the screen, exterior sill or other area. That would have to be taking care of.


Anyways... it only (should) takes about 30 to 40 minute per coat to paint a 6/6 window. First coat takes the longest.

By the time you set up a 6/6 window sash for spraying you could have it painted.

I mask off the windows and spray the frames then paint sash.

You can do it however you want. This is just my opinion.

Joewho

Which is why I place plastic or card board behind the pane dividers on french doors and paint by hand. If each pane is truly seperated, then I just cut them in. Also, if the windows are double hung, you can push the bottom one up, pull the top one down and start by doing the bottom half of the top, and top half of the bottom, push them back into place and finish.

Another point to using the cut plastic, or placing plastic behind the dividers is that you may have to razor the paint in order to pull the plastic off.

Another trick i use is to place a small peice of cardboard behind the dividers, to raise them away from the glass, makes the cutting go faster.

Of course, this is all void if they are true divided lights.

JMGP

JoeWho... you just reminded me of another issue...

the bottom section of the top window will need to be cut in also. (part that meets the top part of the bottom window / lock area)

I believe that brushing the sash is a more effective way of painting.

setting up each sash for spraying will take a bit... then AFTER "spraying" them... STILL need to break out a brush!

There is a time and place for spraying... and sash is not one of them. My opinion.

I suggest those that are thinking of "spraying" sash... to think of ALL that is involved with that process... if you seem that it is worth it and wont sacrifice your quality, or your bottom line... go for it.

BobbyD

JMGP,

for the most part I tend to agree with you. I have driven by some expensive custom homes and noticed from the street that the windows have been masked off as we describe here. I've always wondered why someone would do that and I'm curious to try it out. If it was a small home with 15-20 windows I wouldn't bother. I do agree that some brush work will still be required, but I'm hoping to save a lot of labour and time.

Will see!

AFI

Ok this is what I use

http://www.maskingliquidh2o.com/

No time comsuming and you can use it as a primer.

Richard

If this is good quality paint, I'm sold! Wow, that stuff looks awesome

Joewho

sweetness.

paint slinger

How expensive is liquid H2O the web site dont say.

AFI

It cost like a regular gallon of good paint +- $25 to $29.00 a gal.
this is the distributor web site thats why they don't sell the product on the INTERNET. Give them a call they maybe have a distributor on you area or tell you how to get it.

Art

Perfection

My paint store has this stuff.

They tried to sell it to me a couple of times and I declined.

After reading this thread, I think I'll give it a try the next time the need arises.

Thanks!

This is a great board...Glad I found it.