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Old 10-26-2017, 10:53 PM   #41
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I am under no obligation to passively allow people to badger and talk down to me.

I can and will stand up for myself. Sorry not sorry.

But thanks for your input. It was useful
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Old 10-27-2017, 12:50 AM   #42
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Even though most of you displayed an appalling lack of decency (can't expect anything more from uneducated redneck labor workers), I believe I got some very valuable advice in spite of you saying it in a condescending way. There's a lot to think about. So thanks. Oh, and go **** yourselves.

By the way, is anyone hiring?
And you're wanting to get into the same trade with the rest of us redneck idiots. You think you're owed something, your time is more valuable than your employer's time you wasted, you think you're good, you refuse to take responsibility for yourself and now you're more intelligent than us.

They say that anyone can paint but the fact is few can paint with speed and excellence for a living at a decent wage. What exactly were you taught on your first job? What was your pay? There's very few things that can be taught in painting, you either have it or you don't. There isn't a secret trick to painting faster.

In my over 40 years in this, painting is the one thing I couldn't teach to do professionally, I've had them all from slop jockeys to slow as molasses. I've had guys doing it for 10 years that I didn't want on my jobs as a foreman let alone on my own jobs.

I've got news for you YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH to work for someone, you said that yourself. Even if you were good enough your character is less than desirable and you won't last.

I would still like to know you said "You made it this far" 2 summers, 2 jobs fired from both that doesn't sound like progress. I'm a little lost on your statement. Go ahead and think you're standing up for yourself but it's not getting you anywhere.

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Old 10-27-2017, 01:21 AM   #43
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And where would laying down and taking your verbal abuse get me?

Save that **** for your wife and kids.
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Old 10-27-2017, 05:14 AM   #44
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And where would laying down and taking your verbal abuse get me?

Save that **** for your wife and kids.
You should look into hormone replacement therapy. Get some testosterone, grow a sack and try again. Your mental health issue is your poor attitude, there are no pills for that.
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Old 10-27-2017, 07:22 AM   #45
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I am under no obligation to passively allow people to badger and talk down to me.

I can and will stand up for myself. Sorry not sorry.

But thanks for your input. It was useful
Don't take it so personal.

Standing up for yourself, when in the right is one thing. Acting so much out of defense is another. Don't you see that there is something that needs correcting, that there is a pattern here? Perhaps more important than painting? You're on the attack for a reason.

This thread has evoked that.

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Old 10-27-2017, 11:07 AM   #46
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**** you. Don't ever ****ing condescend to me like that you piece of ****.

I can mask and use a brush just fine. Can I do it lightning quick? No, not yet.

Bawawawawawa & Bawawawawa never said you couldn't, jsut that it was not that difficult.

Well Junior, I'm talking from personal expereince ... your problem is how you view this situation. You ain't chit, nobody is when they start out.

Don't believe you posses the humilty to find what an employer needs of you and adjust your behavoirs accordingly. Just your responses here shows me your not able to accept a reality of how to get ahead in the trades.

But waaaa carry on bashing everyone who's trying to help ... now that is just plain ****ing stupid - condesending enough for you?
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Yea, I definitely asked to be talked down to by a pompous jackass. That was the entire point of asking that question.
Try not to take this personally, since I don't know you.

Your pride is showing. That's you problem. You may think you're open to being taught painting, but I suspect it's only the skills portion. You're resistant to being pushed (or pushing yourself), and you're not alone. You gave it away in your own comments.
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Yea, I definitely asked to be talked down to by a pompous jackass. That was the entire point of asking that question.
Try not to take this personally, since I don't know you.

Your pride is showing. That's you problem. You may think you're open to being taught painting, but I suspect it's only the skills portion. You're resistant to being pushed (or pushing yourself), and you're not alone. You gave it away in your own comments.
Thank you, that's excellent feedback. I will think about that.
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**** you. Don't ever ****ing condescend to me like that you piece of ****.

I can mask and use a brush just fine. Can I do it lightning quick? No, not yet.

Bawawawawawa & Bawawawawa never said you couldn't, jsut that it was not that difficult.

Well Junior, I'm talking from personal expereince ... your problem is how you view this situation. You ain't chit, nobody is when they start out.

Don't believe you posses the humilty to find what an employer needs of you and adjust your behavoirs accordingly. Just your responses here shows me your not able to accept a reality of how to get ahead in the trades.

But waaaa carry on bashing everyone who's trying to help ... now that is just plain ****ing stupid - condesending enough for you?
Good advice. Thank you. Not being sarcastic.
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Sm412. There have been several questions asked of you, so that we may give you better advice. Such as how old you are, job experience etc. If you won't answer our simple questions how can we possibly give you better advice?

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Old 10-27-2017, 12:59 PM   #51
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Sm412. There have been several questions asked of you, so that we may give you better advice. Such as how old you are, job experience etc. If you won't answer our simple questions how can we possibly give you better advice?

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My apologies. i am 27. My work experience is mostly production. Right now I detail cars. I am also a student with a 3.4 GPA. Ironically enough, I can keep a good pace if a machine is setting the pace for me. I really have no problem keeping up most of the time. Its when I set my own pace that I slow way down. I've bounced around from this to that trying to find my niche.
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:07 PM   #52
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This isn't easy to admit, but I definitely am a whiner. Im really glad I know that now, and I appreciate all of you who drilled into me and showed me. I really needed to sleep on it.
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There are some good suggestions here. I would also agree however that speed isn't always the mark of an expert painter. And if your work becomes exceptional, expect other painters to focus on you being a 'slow painter'. They'll always want to bring a spotlight to their speed, especially if this is about all they have.

Try to stay away from production work, if are not a "fast painter". There are guys out there doing it for nothing, and the contractors have added performance pressures on them. Besides, your skills can suffer. Don't let anyone turn you into a junk painter, this can happen too.

Important: if you go your own business route, if you find incentive in it (though you may not, based on your recent post) be very aware that while there are nice customers that want to be fair with you, there are many that will sell their soul to cheat you. Integrity is a rarity. So put the details down in writing. There are some main tactics that the unscrupulous customers will attempt -- you will get to know these hopefully sooner rather than later. Out of all the trades I've had contact or experience with, painting seems to be particularly susceptible to this, for whatever reason. "Everybody can do it" "It's easy" or I've done that and there is nothing to it (some think this is more effective with a second person agreeing in the room) "It's only your time, so why not do that, too..." "I'd do it myself but just don't have the time"...are a few justifications. As one popular member here uses as a tagline "Some jobs just aren't worth doing" Wise advice!

Please: repeat after me..."I don't do work for free" as many will attempt. Be ready.

Make it easier on yourself while getting more work done ... today, the last exterior day around here, I'm painting a small outbuilding having T111 sidiing -- one hand on the skinny minny (these are very handy) just to get the paint on with the other brushing it out.
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what hand is using the phone?
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Nice looking dog !

Thanks to all the bogus callers, it's neglected. A dummy model, that rings when it wants to. So I answer when I want. A convenient relationship.
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May I ask what are you attending school for?

What makes you want to paint is it you believe it has a low barrier to entry?

I'd your good at detailing cars why not open up a car detailing biz?

For example I do low voltage I know I can't tile to save my life gotta play to your strengths

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