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Old 10-26-2017, 07:49 PM   #21
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Why would you say something so condescending and demeaning?
You asked if anyone knew, and I replied.

If you didn't want someone to answer - you should have said:

"Do you know anything about mental health issues? - WAIT - DO NOT ANSWER."

But you didn't.

So that's your fault.

Here, have a kleenex.
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Old 10-26-2017, 07:51 PM   #22
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Why would you say something so condescending and demeaning?
You asked if anyone knew, and I replied.

If you didn't want someone to answer - you should have said:

"Do you know anything about mental health issues? - WAIT - DO NOT ANSWER."

But you didn't.

So that's your fault.

Here, have a kleenex.
Yea, I definitely asked to be talked down to by a pompous jackass. That was the entire point of asking that question.
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Yea, I definitely asked to be talked down to by a pompous jackass. That was the entire point of asking that question.
Yeah... Or: You're Just another needy, self-centered, narcissistic biotch that thinks the world owes them a living and will throw up whatever crutch they can find.

No short busses on construction sites.

You got mental health issues - then deal with them in an appropriate setting.

This ain't it.
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**** you. If an employer says they'll teach me, I expect them to teach me. We agreed upon it at time of hire, and I expect them to uphold their end. I also expect respect. Give me feedback at least. Don't dodge me and duck me around. My time is as valuable as my employers. Don't waste it.

Do you know anything about mental health issues? It was no fault of my own. I won't take responsibility for things outside of my control.

I don't listen to people who tell me I'm not good enough. If I did, I would not have gotten as far as I have. I just need an employer looking to give me a real chance, and at the very least, maybe some constructive feedback. If I need to improve something, tell me. That's not too much to ask.
**** you was that a Thank you? As I said you have to have potential for starters. How far have you made it? You got fired from 2 jobs "You're not cut out for this" means you're not good enough.

No I don't know anything about mental illness, was it your employer's fault, who's responsible for you if you're not, your parents?

What makes you think you're good enough at painting to work for someone? You've been told just the opposite of what you believe about yourself is that where mental illness starts?
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I was serious about checking into something for ADHD if that is a problem for you. If it helps for you to take me seriously, I take meds for depression and it really helps. I told my doctor that sometimes I wish I had a "real" illness so people might be more receptive to it being a real problem. Nobody tells you to "just get over it" when you have cancer.

Now so far as yourself, you do seem to have an attitude, and in all fairness you probably have your reasons. However until you change you are going to keep running into brick walls.

If you are truly looking for a job, it would be better to state your qualifications and location. Forget about blaming anyone else for what happened at your last job because frankly we have all been through it with employees. Present yourself as someone who is willing to show up everyday, work hard, and learn and almost anyone will hire you. Present yourself as someone who "Zones Out" and you will never get a job.
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Zoning out? While on a ladder? Do you use extension ladders? Good luck.

Maybe you are a bit off track and anything production-related isn't your cup of tea.

Just as an observation, you seem overly dependent on working under the cover of someone... "a boss who invests in you...the union...etc"

But perhaps after you gain the necessary skills you could sub work out from someone? So that they don't have to worry about the accumulated hours ( but will still have their timelines). If someone were to pay you so much per door, or so much per public restroom, for example, would you be more diligent ?

For the time being and as a bit of friendly advice, and out of courtesy to drivers, I would stay away from highway striping crews. Zoning into other lanes could have its effects.

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Out of touch for wanting to be taught?
I walked into a law office once, I got super pissed off because they wouldn't teach me how to be a lawyer.
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**** you. If an employer says they'll teach me, I expect them to teach me. We agreed upon it at time of hire, and I expect them to uphold their end. I also expect respect. Give me feedback at least. Don't dodge me and duck me around. My time is as valuable as my employers. Don't waste it.

Do you know anything about mental health issues? It was no fault of my own. I won't take responsibility for things outside of my control.

I don't listen to people who tell me I'm not good enough. If I did, I would not have gotten as far as I have. I just need an employer looking to give me a real chance, and at the very least, maybe some constructive feedback. If I need to improve something, tell me. That's not too much to ask.
**** you was that a Thank you? As I said you have to have potential for starters. How far have you made it? You got fired from 2 jobs "You're not cut out for this" means you're not good enough.

No I don't know anything about mental illness, was it your employer's fault, who's responsible for you if you're not, your parents?

What makes you think you're good enough at painting to work for someone? You've been told just the opposite of what you believe about yourself is that where mental illness starts?
I left the first job. They told me they believed I had potential and were willing to work with me. The second job didn't agree.

Mental illness is nobody's fault. Why does there have to be someone to blame? It is my responsibility to take care of it and I did. At the time that meant leaving my job. Why are you criticizing me for that? I did what I had to do and I'm a better man because of it.

Why would I listen to someone who tells me I'm not good enough? If you think I'm giving up that easy you must have me confused with someone else.

Of course I'm not a good enough painter to work for someone. I barely have any knowledge or experience. Im green. Hardly anyone is-until they're taught. That's what I ask for: to be taught. That's the whole point of apprenticeship, to teach people, many of whom have no prior experience. If I stumble upon weak points in my game, I want an opportunity to improve. That is not too much to ask.
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Out of touch for wanting to be taught?
I walked into a law office once, I got super pissed off because they wouldn't teach me how to be a lawyer.
Yea, bull**** analogy. They have school for that. And law school graduates ARE taught by law firms.

Painting requires no prior education. All painters that you know started out not knowing ****. Someone taught them.

How do you expect to hire a new generation of painters if no one is willing to teach them?
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Painting requires no prior education. All painters that you know started out not knowing ****. Someone taught them.

Nah most of the ones I know either had the aptitude or needed a job to support their drinking or other habits. They simply ALL needed to earn money.

And at the same time .... don't take all that either to wield a brush, mask, etc. You know the stuff apprentices get to do. Can't make it as a painter, LOL there's always Mcdondalds, Maybe they'll train you the way you want to be trained, Plus you get a free lunch.
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With so much focus on wanting others to help you, why don't you help someone else out?

Donate your time. Try you local church for those who can't afford it. Try Habitat. Work with others painting there...
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With so much focus on wanting others to help you, why don't you help someone else out?

Donate your time. Try you local church for those who can't afford it. Try Habitat. Work with others painting there...
Now those are some good ideas !!!
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Painting requires no prior education. All painters that you know started out not knowing ****. Someone taught them.

Nah most of the ones I know either had the aptitude or needed a job to support their drinking or other habits. They simply ALL needed to earn money.

And at the same time .... don't take all that either to wield a brush, mask, etc. You know the stuff apprentices get to do. Can't make it as a painter, LOL there's always Mcdondalds, Maybe they'll train you the way you want to be trained, Plus you get a free lunch.
**** you. Don't ever ****ing condescend to me like that you piece of ****.

I can mask and use a brush just fine. Can I do it lightning quick? No, not yet.
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I'm abandoning thread. I don't need to listen to this ****.
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I'm abandoning thread. I don't need to listen to this ****.
They are simply challenging you. Walking away isn't the answer, I can tell you that.

I can see you don't take stock and responsibility in what you do. This is clear to see.
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"Hey guys i was looking for advice-but only if I agree with it!"
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Keep learning, and try to demonstrate some stability. Good luck.
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I didn't come out of my mom's vagina knowing the construction trades.

That's a good one! I'm gonna use that one.
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Even though most of you displayed an appalling lack of decency (can't expect anything more from uneducated redneck labor workers), I believe I got some very valuable advice in spite of you saying it in a condescending way. There's a lot to think about. So thanks. Oh, and go **** yourselves.

By the way, is anyone hiring?

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If I sat down and counted, I could probably figure out the number of companies that 'chewed me up and spat me out', but that's the past. It's what most of us have experienced in some way or another.

Even if you have the owner standing right in front of you, assuring you that you'll get trained for 6 months -- there'll be no pressure, 99% of the time, you'll get dropped if they don't think you have what it takes. Most guys here think of this as a business, not a charity.

And throwing ****-bombs at people who are trying to give you advice (whether you consider them rude or not) speaks volumes.

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