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Old 10-26-2017, 04:23 AM   #1
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Hi all. So I am an aspiring painter and hopefully a future contractor, just needed to get some perspective.

So I worked for a painting contractor for one summer as an apprentice. I had to leave the job to resolve some personal issues (addiction and mental health). They were very angry with me for "wasting their time," so that bridge is pretty much burnt. The next summer I came into contact with another contractor from a different city. They told me "Yea, move out here and we'll teach you to paint!" They fired me 2 weeks later after I moved halfway across the state.

What happened was, basically I was too slow for their liking. I produced quality work, had an excellent attitude, worked hard, but I wasn't very fast. The guy who was training me, I would ask him after every shift "Are you satisfied with my work and do you need me to be doing anything better?" He danced around the question, gave me a BS answer. One day he walked 300 ft off the job site without my knowledge, called my boss, told him I was too slow, and to fire me. He came back and told me to go to the office. I asked him why and he danced around it (coward). I went to the office and was fired on the spot. He said "You're not cut out for this. Goodbye"

My time is valuable. I really don't have time for that $#%&. I need an employer who is willing to give me a chance to improve areas that I'm struggling with. So one question is, to break into this trade, do I have to be the perfect apprentice, picking up on every skill with ease, and never screwing up? Is it too much to ask that if I invest 100% of my effort and my being into a job, that I give everything I have, that my employer similarly invest in me?

I feel like I was chewed up and spit out and I'm very discouraged. I really like painting. I enjoy it, I really do. I give less than a %&* about one dude saying I'm not good enough. I am good enough. So my second question is, has anyone else struggled with this, and how did you learn to work faster and more efficiently? I've identified the problem: I'm prone to "zoning out" while I work. Interestingly enough, this has no impact on quality. I can give you results. But it does slow me down. So the solution is being more mindful on what I'm doing and putting more effort into speed. Simple.

I just need an employer who will let me try. I'm thinking union.
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Old 10-26-2017, 05:35 AM   #2
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I don't know what to say beyond I hope you find a good path in your life.

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Prepare yourself for some not so positive comments.

Zoning out... Really? No disrespect intended, but maybe you should talk to your Doctor/Therapist about ADHD meds.
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Old 10-26-2017, 07:11 AM   #4
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I will say that painting is pretty much brainless work, (Again no disrespect intended, a good painter is really hard to find) and when I'm painting I have a tendency to think about a lot of other things more than if I'm doing carpentry work. I also whistle, sing, and generally fvck with people just to keep myself from getting bored. But "Zone out" nope, never.
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I'm thinking union.
There you go, if you can't compete go union.

Quite frankly, you sound needy and dependent. No one owes you a living. If you really want the production skills you could be developing them on your own time. Do you have a wall at home? Quality is always important but so is production, you need both to compete in the marketplace.

Or join the military. No kidding, they have a way of shaping people up.
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You may want to consider therapy and a different career path. All the painters I know are illegals from South America and they work extremely hard and long hours for little pay. This will be your competition.
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Keep focus on what you're doing and in the future, you will get more jobs.
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Keep focus on what you're doing and in the future, you will get more jobs.
But do it differently... hahaha.

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Look deep and ask if you have it in you to run your own business. (There's lots of reasons not to run your own business, btw, so there's really no wrong answer to that question.)

If you don't want to run your own shop, you need to figure out this "zoning out" thing. When I'm running apprentices, I expect them to pay attention and do what they're told. (Bonus points for initiative, but that's another topic.) I'll support them to the ends of the earth if they have the fundamental ability to do useful work, but I doubt I'd put up with someone that zones out.
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My time is valuable. I really don't have time for that $#%&.

I just need an employer who will let me try. I'm thinking union.
and the employers money is very valuable to them. You can't produce or figure out how to produce on "Thier" time, all your other self professed positives don't mean chit. Sorry to be blunt, but it's true.

Have had many guys who were great people, good solid employee ethics .... but they couldn't produce at a level for me to make money. What I found was most of them, the trade just wasn't really in thier wheel house. Others had too much pride to alter / learn/ imrpove thier process to be more productive.

Sounds like you may want to reconsider the 'why' you are doing painting and how much 'qaulity' you are willing to give up to make a living. Generally I've found supervisors who dance around subjects are worried about bursting someones bubble of believe in themselves. And the uncomfortable backlash that comes after.
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Your attitude sucks as if an employer owes you something, they gave you a try and evidently you're not good enough and your time isn't as valuable as you think it is.

How old are you? Have you ever held any job before? You worked one summer while addicted with mental issues seems to me that company did give you a chance and you screwed that up that's why you wasted their time they don't have time for your bull****.

It's going to be really hard to find an employer that's willing to spend the time to teach, you have to begin with potential maybe you don't have it.

How the hell do you zone out while painting? Is it like a twilight zone and you move in slow motion? Maybe you should apply for a painting job at a hospital.
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Zoning out... Really? No disrespect intended, but maybe you should talk to your Doctor/Therapist about ADHD meds.
Can't say I didn't warn you.
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**** you. If an employer says they'll teach me, I expect them to teach me. We agreed upon it at time of hire, and I expect them to uphold their end. I also expect respect. Give me feedback at least. Don't dodge me and duck me around. My time is as valuable as my employers. Don't waste it.

Do you know anything about mental health issues? It was no fault of my own. I won't take responsibility for things outside of my control.

I don't listen to people who tell me I'm not good enough. If I did, I would not have gotten as far as I have. I just need an employer looking to give me a real chance, and at the very least, maybe some constructive feedback. If I need to improve something, tell me. That's not too much to ask.
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**** who? Me or those other assholes?
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**** you.
Do you know anything about mental health issues?
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Op sounds like a bit out of touch but metal illness is no joking matter.


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The other assholes.

I really don't ask for much. I didn't come out of my mom's vagina knowing the construction trades. I ask that someone teach me. If I'm not good enough in a certain area, tell me so I can at least try to improve. My time is valuable. I don't have time to start working for someone who is going to fire me after 2 weeks for being short of incredible.

Maybe as contractors you need to reevaluate the way you're treating new guys.
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Out of touch for wanting to be taught?
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**** you.
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