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Old 10-27-2017, 01:11 AM   #1
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So the last thread derailed irreparably. I'm going to try this again.

In between the badgering, condescention, and discouragement, there was some wisdom to be gained from that **** show of a thread.

Yes, I failed to take ownership over my own failure and blamed it on the company that fired me. I admit it. The fact is that it was me not being good enough that got me fired, and it isn't easy to swallow. It sucks being told that you're not good enough.

I should clarify that I DID NOT get fired from my first job. I left voluntarily. My boss even tried to convince me to come back, but I couldn't, given what was going on in my life. I was unable to continue working. It's my fault. I could have and should have managed my condition better.

I won't apologize for fighting back. I don't have tolerate being talked down to.

Here's the thing: you guys have me confused with someone else. You have me mixed up with a quitter. I'm not good enough, YET. I like painting and I'm going to be a painter. Period. I will do what it takes to make that happen. If I'm too slow, ill get faster. If I zone out, ill redirect my attention. If I get fired, ill get a new job. What I'm asking for is tips on how to succeed. What do I need to do?

If you want to encourage me to quit, your time could be better used doing something else. That's one thing I will not listen to.
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:35 AM   #2
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If you live in a state requiring a state contractors license on painting jobs over $1000, i suggest you pursue that course of action. If not, I really have no wisdom to offer. Good luck.

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Old 10-27-2017, 02:27 AM   #3
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If you live in a state requiring a state contractors license on painting jobs over $1000, i suggest you pursue that course of action. If not, I really have no wisdom to offer. Good luck.
Could you maybe offer specific ways that you maintain a productive work speed? It may come naturally to you, but thinking about it, what kinds of things do you do while working that keeps you at a productive pace?

I know I can improve. It can be done.
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Quality tools - brushes, rollers, masking tape equipment, sprayers, thinners and how to use them - can all make the pro a more efficient one.

Learning from watching is also key - lots of trades require apprenticeship for some very good reasons. You tube videos and the like - (i recall a guy called Chris the Idaho Painter that is an excellent you tube follow) can also help on your off-the-clock learning. Learn by watching, understand by doing.

Paint your own house/apartment, whatever. Again and again if you need to. Painting is not brain surgery in the sense you don't need to potentially hurt someone by 'learning on the job' - if you have a wall, paint it. And through repetition of learned technique, your speeds will get more efficient.

Lastly, work for yourself if possible. You can set your own rates and manage your own clients expectations.

BTW - I know fast painters that suck, and I'll never use again - so speed isn't everything.
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If you are just here for tips and tricks you really should stop whining. But the diy forum might be a better place for ya.
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Old 10-27-2017, 11:21 AM   #6
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So now you've started 3 threads, haven't answered any questions just whining and excuses. As I've said there are no secrets to painting faster.

Simple question, have ever simply tried physically painting faster? Your issue seems to mental not physical and if that's the case you're in the wrong place asking for advice.
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Prep: small patches, keep sanding to an absolute minimum, use a light when you sand, use a light when you apply mud, etc. heat gun is your friend. keep it moving, etc.

Lots of tarps, good equipment, great roller covers, load the roller, keep it moving, etc.

Baseboard is optional? mask it..or roll onto it anyway, then repaint with matching semigloss (make sure it matches, so know your whites)

keep it moving, etc.
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Thanks guys! Great advice.
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Serious advice, just one working man to another. I started out as a hand in a ditch making minimum wage so I can relate to getting started.

1) attitude is everything in this business, and to be frank yours sucks. Need to cowboy up and realize a few things- nothing is owed to you. Not an education, not a living wage, not a ****ty wage, not a wage at all. You are only owed what you earn and produce. No one owes it to you to deal.with your mental incpacities or lack of speed and knowledge.

2) now once you get 1) in your head tell it to yourself everyday.

3) as far as speed, speed comes from practice, concentration, study and efficiency. You have to do great work so you can't move as fast as a vet - but you can : read on your trade, big ears close mouth and learn from those around you, work your ass off to be the set up guy and stay ahead of others, practice efficiency

4) practice efficiency. Make a system and spend time thinking about it in your down time (home). A way you set up your tools and equipment and way you break down. A order which you work and clean up. Never walk empty handed. Walk fast. When you go to the truck carry tools back you don't need same with from the truck. Be next to your work, like set up next to your material. Don't waste steps.

5) leave your phone in the truck.

6) don't dawdle at lunch. Quit and start when your supposed to

7) don't bitch to your boss. Stay ahead of your boss

These very simple things should help get you started on keeping a job.
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Serious advice, just one working man to another. I started out as a hand in a ditch making minimum wage so I can relate to getting started.

1) attitude is everything in this business, and to be frank yours sucks. Need to cowboy up and realize a few things- nothing is owed to you. Not an education, not a living wage, not a ****ty wage, not a wage at all. You are only owed what you earn and produce. No one owes it to you to deal.with your mental incpacities or lack of speed and knowledge.

2) now once you get 1) in your head tell it to yourself everyday.

3) as far as speed, speed comes from practice, concentration, study and efficiency. You have to do great work so you can't move as fast as a vet - but you can : read on your trade, big ears close mouth and learn from those around you, work your ass off to be the set up guy and stay ahead of others, practice efficiency

4) practice efficiency. Make a system and spend time thinking about it in your down time (home). A way you set up your tools and equipment and way you break down. A order which you work and clean up. Never walk empty handed. Walk fast. When you go to the truck carry tools back you don't need same with from the truck. Be next to your work, like set up next to your material. Don't waste steps.

5) leave your phone in the truck.

6) don't dawdle at lunch. Quit and start when your supposed to

7) don't bitch to your boss. Stay ahead of your boss

These very simple things should help get you started on keeping a job.
Thank you. My attitude is pretty bad. Ill work on it. Great advice friend.
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Thank you. My attitude is pretty bad. Ill work on it. Great advice friend.
Already improving. Good job
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Thank you. My attitude is pretty bad. Ill work on it. Great advice friend.


I think you will find that the guys on this forum that are a little rough on you, are the same guys that started digging ditches and sweeping floors. It really is the best way to learn any trade.

With that said, I can handle a guy that's not a super genius or even a fast learner, if he's got a great attitude and his heart is in it, he's going to stay busy with me. There's a place for anyone as long they don't bring the crew down.

It's almost required that you have a sense of humor as well. Make me laugh and that's and added bonus.

You can be the best Carpenter since Noah, if you are an ass you're gone. No viruses allowed!

This isn't saying anything about you. Just making general statement.


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I think you will find that the guys on this forum that are a little rough on you, are the same guys that started digging ditches and sweeping floors. It really is the best way to learn any trade.

With that said, I can handle a guy that's not a super genius or even a fast learner, if he's got a great attitude and his heart is in it, he's going to stay busy with me. There's a place for anyone as long they don't bring the crew down.

It's almost required that you have a sense of humor as well. Make me laugh and that's and added bonus.

You can be the best Carpenter since Noah, if you are an ass you're gone. No viruses allowed!

This isn't saying anything about you. Just making general statement.


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