Labors Hours Control

igorrepublic

We have 6 new project running in one time and it is not easy to control the labor hours pertains to this work.i understood it is easy to control labor when you do residential repaint, but have about new construction.

copusbuilder

Huh
Are you referring to time keeping?
If you are then you hopefully have one good person you can trust to watch hours. Other than that pay surprise visits or talk to customers or other subs? Am i even warm

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jmgallagher

what he said... or....

look into a peacework system......

painterofeveryt

don't you mean piecework ?

jmgallagher

oopss!! give "peace" a chance

thanks

copusbuilder

Then i'm not really getting a peace off the wife?

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igorrepublic

The labor time for sanding, powerswashing, prime, caulk and so on. This way we could find out how many hours our crew take to finish the job .

In our company each employee record it on the blank paper. After the project is finished we sort labors hours by the project address or number.

pntr_arch_cec82

Hi. I was just wondering how you guys would keep track of hours worked in a situation such as this.
The crew is picked up at 7:30am at a specific location.
Paint and materials are picked up at the shop and/or the paint shop (7:45am-8:00am)
Arrive at the job site at 8:30am.
Lunch from 12:00pm-12:45pm.
Leave jobsite at 4:30pm.
How many hours would you note down on a day like this?
Whenshould the guys start getting paid? When they are picked up? When they get to the site?
Should lunch time be deducted?

igorrepublic

Start at 7 oclock and pick up material for the job at 7-7.10

Arrive to the job side 7.30-8

Lunch from 12-12.45

Finished work at 3.30

We do not pay for driving time after the 3.30, but we pay for the morning
time from 7-8 and an extra time for materials loading and arriving time for the job site.

Every crew has 3 people and one vehicle from the company.

We have the delivery person who deliver the paint to the specific job.

Every crew leader has the personal phone number (150 minutes limit for customer questions,but to talk to the office or production manager is free (sprint to sprint sell phone) and even business card from the company.We keep good communication with customer.

Dave Mac

We pay them for lunch, only half hour. We pay no ride time, unless they are finishing one and moving to another, or its a hour away

George Z

Employees show up at work before work starts.
They go home after work ends.
That's the time they get paid for.

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Paul Burns

We quote X hours per piece or job. We pay the exact same X to painters.

Very little paper work, guesswork, and zero tattletale/babysitter pay involved.

Two painters completed 25k worth of work in the last 2 weeks. One will put 3-4k in his pocket after tax. He is a little faster and better than the other guy. The other guy is working hard to become as good as the better guy. Soon, he will be.

We would have paid the same amount if they finished in 3 weeks or 3 days.

I read somewhere here about happy painters. I believe that everyone in the company should be happy. If we have a frowner, they can be a real downer. So we don't let them play with us for very long.

Life is too short to WONDER about hours, liars, coffee breaks, etc.. IMO anyway.

Paul

paintr56

In IL. the law is clear on this, When a worker is to be at a location wheather it is the job site or a remote location the the clock starts when they are scheduled to arrive at that loction. In your case that would be 7:30 the day would continue until they are returned to the original location. Lunch paid lunch is optional. The exception would be if you are picking them up for thier convenience and they have the option of meeting at the job site.

Jim Bunton

Paul Burns

Jim,

It's good to see you again! How's everything?

You knoe that we have talked about these laws and stuff for a looong time now. And I believe that we all should be as legal as possible. But seriously, do people really stick to this stuff in the real world? I know, I've heard the arguments about one employee ruining your life, blah, blah, blah. That may be so, but everyone I talk to, every contractors I see, every contractor's employee that I talk too, every building that I drive by, every T.V. show about that I see, are ALL being built by illegal immigrants, the bosses screw non immigrants, contractors issue 1099's to people that are easily classified as employees NOT subs, I even hear no of illegals be ing able to collect W/C!!

I mean if skyscrapers, most homes. etc., etc., are being built by illegals and unlcassifiable subs, etc., why do painters always get so uptight about 10 minutes here or there, in either direction? I mean I have seen sitcoms that talk about how all of the labor is paid tax free and that is how firemen earn extra money, etc.. If it is a known fact on the sitcom circuit and the white house, what is the big deal?

Don't get me wrong, I also believe that we all need to keep our own corners clean, but as far as worrying about that kind of thing, I dunno. If an employee ever did try to sue me for ten minutes here or there, I would scream "equal protection under the law" or something like that, and that the employees owe our company more than we owe them! Well, maybe not. But you see what I'm saying right?

And Jim, my post here is not directed at you. I just wanted to say HI to you. The rest of it is just a general observation that I have seen, and especially over the last 10 years. I mean I have even walked into accountants offices and have them look at me with bewilderment when I tell them that we pay employees instead of subs. It's probably because MOST of their BIG contractors classify everyone as subs. I know a few paint contractors that have been paying like that for 30 years or more. And none of them have ever been in trouble. I saw one get taken to court for back pay or something like that, and he had a chip on his shouldr too, I would think that if he could have gotten his BOSS in trouble with the IRS or someone else, that he would have gone that route.

I could go on and on with examples. My experience and investigating has shown that any contractor that is paying his/her labor by the book is the exception, NOT the norm. Personally, I like to sleep at night. But I sometimes wonder if I am just being an idiot!!

Paul

shane

Well said Paul. I think that most people try to go stright. It's hard today for anybody to keep it going stright. Here in NY between all the taxes you pay on everything and the cost of living it's nut's.

ProWallGuy

Shane, that response struck me as funny, comparing to what you said in your other thread:

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shane

Shane, that response struck me as funny, comparing to what you said in your other thread:

whats so hard to understand, prowallguy. Am I alone on this. When was the last time u worked on a big enough job and saw no corruption. AT all levels of construction there's someone worken some sort of deal... your saying It's funny because it's ture or because you never cheated on your taxes or give anyone your car/truck to borrow.
OK! your right. I'll call uncle sam and give him the taxes I owe(so he can send it of to the war) Then I'll call Works comp. and tell them to rise my insurance. And when I go to the watering hole, I'll tell other contractors, that I know, what I have done and tell them they have to change there ways too. Some how this all sounds silly...

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paintr56

Paul,

I thought that was you. I hope all is well. Are you still in the Keys and working piece work?

It is a little easier for me to follow the law. I am a one man shop so I have no employees to worry about. as far as paying my workers when I had them I didn't mess with thier pay. We would meet at my shop at 7:30 and that is when the day would begin. from there we would go to the job in company trucks.

Paul Burns

Jim,

Yes, to both questions.

At the moment though, I am in VA and getting ready to rev-up this company again. Our best client here is in the middle of making a list of things for us to do! I say the best because her exterior came out to be arund 150k to paint and repair the wood rot. After 1.5 years she was thrilled to hear that we were back in business and wanted to do more with us. This is after she had even hired other painters while we were gone. I am tooting our horn. That was one of the nicest compliments that we have ever gotten. I mean she was little ticked off when I told her that I had gone to the Keys to live out a dream. Her house is so big, it almost NEEDS someone there full time just to maintain it.

I had no idea that she would welcome us back like this. If this is any inclination of what all our other clients will say..... Of course a lot of them never knew that we were gone, so........

I will personally be living in the Keys, but we finally have some top notch people in top areas of our company up here. I think anyways. One of is living in our house which the office is detached from. She is on the same page as I am, and has the desire to expand into other areasof the country, AFTER we get to where we want to be in the D.C and Key West areas. I was PULLED by know yet unknown forces. Now I feel like I am being pulled towrds the Grand Tetons! That seems like a nice place to spend July-Sept. LOL

Sounds like things are going well for you too! I sure hope so and would think so. You have always been one of the "good guys" on these BB's.

I've always enjoyed your input Jim. Hope t o see around a lot more.

Take Care,
Paul