If using SW, Which Specific Product for Walls, Ceiling and Bathrooms? - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

bradesp · 01-08-2006, 09:00 PM

I'm having a beach home built on coastal NC. Interior Paint is scheduled to start in 4 weeks. Builder is pressing me for colors and paint choice. This is an area where the only professional paint store is Sherwin Willaims, so guess what I'll be using?

OK, so if I prefer a very flat / matte sheen, but would also like super durability. Some of the new washable flats come to mind.

Also, this home will see heavy rental duty in the summer from vacationers, so something that will withstand wear and tear in the main living areas as well as heavy moisture from showers in the bathrooms.

So, I'm looking for recommendation on specific SW products for:
Primer (I hear SW Primer is awful, if so can you suggest an alternative?)
Ceiling Paint (SuperPaint vs Cashmere?)
Walls (SuperPaint vs Cashemere?)
Bathrroms (Bath Paint?? vs Cashmere?, etc.), Btw, I DON't want something to shiney in terms of the sheen on the finish.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!

Sincerely,

Bradesp

**ProWallGuy** · 01-08-2006, 09:33 PM

Primer = yeah, Preprite sucks, I use Ben Moore Fresh Start
Ceilings = Superpaint
Walls = Duration
Bathrooms = Duration + mildew inhibitor OR Zinsser Perma-White

Cashmere is good too, if you don't want to pay the steep price of Duration.

BlueStarServ. · 01-08-2006, 09:40 PM

SW makes a bathroom specific paint and this is strongly recommended
especially if is going to be a partial rental. This preferred paint will stand
up to the moisture and humidity it will be receiving and is easy to keep clean.

As far as the common areas stay away from the cashmere and stay with
the easy up keep. It is much easier to clean the walls than repaint.

As far as ceilings go, basic ceiling paint, Acrylic Latex (Flat) will do the job every time.

BlueStarServ. · 01-08-2006, 09:42 PM

Fresh start is the preferred prime for a lot of applications, but if SW is the only availability in that area then your choices are limited.

I prefer Ben Moore to anything myself. Stay away from The "Depot" Home that is.

BlueStarServ. · 01-08-2006, 09:47 PM

ProWall Guy

Reviewing these posts over the past couple hours you appear to be a constant source of great information.
Question??

I am in the middle of a new const. and the elec. is not scheduled for
10-14 more days, and I am anxious to keep chugging alon here.
I have been using propane high hat heaters, but at this point the homeowner
has gone through 200lbs. of propane, and I feel he is wasting his money at this point. Is it safe enough to paint between 35-45 degrees and expect the paint NOT to change as it dries as it did when we had the heat going?

**slickshift** · 01-08-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStarServ.

Is it safe enough to paint between 35-45 degrees and expect the paint NOT to change as it dries as it did when we had the heat going?

Depends on the paint
But in general you'd be pushing it with most of them
I don't know of any off-hand that I'd do that with
Most interior paint should be 50*+ overnight
Maybe if it dropped below that at night you'd be OK
But you should really start a new thread with the temp Q in the title, you'll get a wider variety of answers that way
Maybe someone will know of an interior paint you can use @ 35*-45*

**ProWallGuy** · 01-08-2006, 10:14 PM

It won't change as it dries, it just plain won't dry at those temps.
It will most likely dry to the touch, but the curing of it would take way too long, and temps like those changing from night to day will slow it down even more. I think it would effect the bond to the wall at the tape lines.
I probably wouldn't even think of priming until it was a steady 50 degrees or so.

BlueStarServ. · 01-08-2006, 10:21 PM

I am just at the home stretch with the secong coad on the trim work(post installation) and touching up walls that have been modified by the homeowners. It kills me that still there is no power at the house.
This job was quoted for July/August. I will probably loose a couple bills
at this point. However the same builder gave me another house just down the road. I will not even start this one until there is heat and power.

BlueStarServ. · 01-08-2006, 10:22 PM

Propane heaters are good for short term but nothing to heat a whole house on.

**slickshift** · 01-08-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStarServ.

Propane heaters are good for short term but nothing to heat a whole house on.

Ya got that right

**ProWallGuy** · 01-08-2006, 10:25 PM

Water, heat, power, these are all in my contracts.

bradesp · 01-09-2006, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ProWallGuy

Primer = yeah, Preprite sucks, I use Ben Moore Fresh Start
Ceilings = Superpaint
Walls = Duration
Bathrooms = Duration + mildew inhibitor OR Zinsser Perma-White

Cashmere is good too, if you don't want to pay the steep price of Duration.

ProWallGuy, Thanks. A couple of questions

You didn't recommend the SW Bath Paint for the bathrooms, but instead indicate the Duration / Zinsser Perma-WHite combo. What does this mean? Are you suggesting Zinsser as the primer, then cover with the duration?

Also, these bathroms (5 of them) will frequently see HEAVY service in the summer. It wont be uncommon for the bathrooms to see 4-5 showers EACH. Lots of steam showers. I've got oversized ventilation, but if renters are in the house, who knows if they'll turn the light swith on :-( So, given this scenario, would you change your recommendation on bath paint?

Also, do you agree about the quality of SW primers? If so, what you would recommend as an alternative?

Thanks!!!

bradesp

**ProWallGuy** · 01-09-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bradesp

ProWallGuy, Thanks. A couple of questions

You didn't recommend the SW Bath Paint for the bathrooms, but instead indicate the Duration / Zinsser Perma-WHite combo. What does this mean? Are you suggesting Zinsser as the primer, then cover with the duration?

No, I meant either Duration with mildewcide added in, OR Zinsser's Perma-White. In your 1st post, you mentioned you didn't want a sheen or shine on the bathroom finish, so I offered Duration. It is a highly durable paint, but can be had in a flat. With added mildewcide, it should stand up to average humidity levels. On second thought, the Perma-White comes in a satin or eggshell finish (I think).

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Originally Posted by bradesp

Also, these bathroms (5 of them) will frequently see HEAVY service in the summer. It wont be uncommon for the bathrooms to see 4-5 showers EACH. Lots of steam showers. I've got oversized ventilation, but if renters are in the house, who knows if they'll turn the light swith on :-( So, given this scenario, would you change your recommendation on bath paint?

Only recommendation I'd give at this point is you will have better luck with a eggshell, satin, or semi-gloss finish than a flat in any high moisture areas. If I was needing a bulletproof finish, my choice would be a 2-part epoxy. But these do come with a shine. An oil enamel would be highly durable too, but once again, you got some sort of sheen to it. Go with 2 coats of the Perma-White.

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Originally Posted by bradesp

Also, do you agree about the quality of SW primers? If so, what you would recommend as an alternative?

Thanks!!!

bradesp

I suggested the BM Fresh Start, but you can find Zinsser's Bullseye 123 at most Sherwins. 123 is a pretty darn good primer too. I don't know of any paint primers that come pre-loaded with mold inhibitors, but do know Roman's makes some for wallcovering installations.

bradesp · 01-09-2006, 09:04 PM

Prowallguy,

Thanks a million!

bradesp