I am no Painter, But F.P.O.E. Has this for you! - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

MALCO.New.York · 11-14-2008, 04:19 PM

I have done a Bit of purchasing of Paints and Delicious mints from F.P.O.E. and I am, of course, on their list.

They have a new program.

Not for me. I HATE Paint and what becomes of it when I touch a brush or roller!!!

So I thought I might pass on an ?opportunity? for others because they TRULY do have a Superior product!

http://www.finepaintsofeurope.com/ce...s_program.aspx

Snow Man · 11-14-2008, 10:43 PM

put the pipe down malco

premierpainter · 11-19-2008, 08:50 AM

They will try anything to sell that crappy overpriced paint.

MALCO.New.York · 11-19-2008, 09:08 AM

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They will try anything to sell that crappy overpriced paint.

Based on the last discussion concerning this paint, that is NOT the consensus on this sight. Overpriced is certainly correct though.

http://www.contractortalk.com/showth...=paints+europe

Steve Richards · 11-19-2008, 09:40 AM

oh come on...they want $165 for a fan deck?

MALCO.New.York · 11-19-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Richards

oh come on...they want $165 for a fan deck?

And that is EXACTLY what Rich, Imperious, Spoiled, Pretentious Customers expect. Have we not learned how to treat those with excess Disposable Income??? You charge them what the expect to be charged.

It costs $600.00 to have the Plugs changed at the Jaguar Dealer.................

Steve Richards · 11-20-2008, 08:25 AM

Yes, Malco...I "know how to treat" rich people.

But that $165 for a fan deck would come out of MY pocket.

22rifle · 11-20-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Richards

Yes, Malco...I "know how to treat" rich people.

But that $165 for a fan deck would come out of MY pocket.

It shouldn't.

Steve Richards · 11-20-2008, 09:35 AM

In theory, nothing for your business should come out of your own pocket. So why don't we all buy a new pickup and pump every few months?

Fan decks are free. My Ben Moore dealer tried to charge me $5 for an extra deck a long time ago...I balked..so he gave it to me for free (I know why too, do you?).

If you spend $165 for that deck (which you'd pretty much have to do to push the product)..you'd better find a client wanting to use it, or you're out $165 (less of course the expense deduction from your taxes).

NAV · 11-21-2008, 09:20 AM

i didnt look at the link he posted but why cant you buy some of the paint, find some rich sucker that wants it and just keep your cans clean.

that way every time you sell it you can put ProMar 200 in the can and make $145 per gallon.

just a thought.

22rifle · 11-21-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Richards

In theory, nothing for your business should come out of your own pocket. So why don't we all buy a new pickup and pump every few months?

Fan decks are free. My Ben Moore dealer tried to charge me $5 for an extra deck a long time ago...I balked..so he gave it to me for free (I know why too, do you?).

If you spend $165 for that deck (which you'd pretty much have to do to push the product)..you'd better find a client wanting to use it, or you're out $165 (less of course the expense deduction from your taxes).

I am not defending them charging $165 for a fan deck.

What I am saying is that you should never pay for overhead items out of your own pocket. Your truck example was absurd and doesn't change a thing.

NEVER pay for overhead items out of your own pocket. Period.

If you choose to do business with this company, and if that is what they charge, then the fan decks go on a line item on your overhead and should affect your selling price.

It almost seems like you think I am advocating charging the customer for it directly. I am not. Not unless this is a one time deal, and the customer knows it will cost him $183.33 for the fan deck right up front. Otherwise it goes into overhead.

Of course, anyone is more than welcome to refuse to do business with these guys if they don't like being charged $165 for a fan deck.

It's simple business. Never, ever pay for overhead out of your own pocket.

Steve Richards · 11-22-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 22rifle

It almost seems like you think I am advocating charging the customer for it directly.

Yes I guess I did. Responding to a two-word reply on the internet probably isn't a good idea.

My point...if you buy something for your business, and don't use it... how can that cost ultimately not come out of your own pocket?
(in that you paid for it, and no one paid you back for it)

22rifle · 11-22-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Richards

Yes I guess I did. Responding to a two-word reply on the internet probably isn't a good idea.

My point...if you buy something for your business, and don't use it... how can that cost ultimately not come out of your own pocket?
(in that you paid for it, and no one paid you back for it)

By including it as an overhead cost. Your rates should be determined by taking your yearly overhead divided by the hours you can bill out plus the direct costs (including labor) plus profit.

By doing so, the customers pay for every business expense.

Of course, the challenge then is to keep your overhead to a minimum so you can have competitive rates. And buying very many $165 fan decks will soon put you out of a competitive rate. So if you go that route you better be targeting a niche that lets you get jobs based on quality rather than price.

Hey, I think charging $165 for a fan deck is insane. It sounds like the manufacturer is trying to rape their customer base. But I'm not a painter either so what do I know?

There are much better minds who can do a better job of explaining it than I can. Hope this helps.

Sorry I was a bit confrontational earlier.

Steve Richards · 11-22-2008, 10:56 AM

Yes, I think I understand how overhead works.

I've bought lots of tools and sundries (usually impulse buys when I'm standing around the paint store waiting for them to finish, which is one reason I prefer to order my paint over the phone)...that I never used, was thus never able to charge for, and they're still sitting in the garage.

"business overhead?"..of course it is. Even the IRS would agree.

I don't usually work T&M..so any costs I incurred in the course of any particular job.. and over the course of the years.. have come out of my profits (and out of my pocket).

*cyber handshake*

Steve Richards · 11-22-2008, 11:26 AM

Thing is: If I DON'T buy that deck...I have $165 more in my pocket than if I DO buy that deck.

dont I?

22rifle · 11-22-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Richards

Thing is: If I DON'T buy that deck...I have $165 more in my pocket than if I DO buy that deck.

dont I?

No. Unless you charge it to your overhead and then don't buy it. But that would be padding your overhead.

If you charge it to overhead it will affect how high your rates are. And then it ends up coming out of your customer's pockets.

Steve Richards · 11-22-2008, 12:01 PM

hmmm...

What I could see happening (for me)...is that some rich client asks me to use FPOU. I tell him "ok, the deck costs $165"..he say OK.

After the job, the deck belongs to him.

I still don't have a FPOU deck...but I still have my $165.

how's that?

22rifle · 11-22-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Richards

hmmm...

What I could see happening (for me)...is that some rich client asks me to use FPOU. I tell him "ok, the deck costs $165"..he say OK.

After the job, the deck belongs to him.

I still don't have a FPOU deck...but I still have my $165.

how's that?

Sorry, I am not understanding your question. Can you rephrase it?

Steve Richards · 11-22-2008, 12:35 PM

heh...I won't say this isn't kinda fun.

By not buying the deck... don't I have $165 more in profit?

I think I see your point that I can buy it, and then raise my rates by 5 cents, thus making my other clients (in effect) pay for it over time.

But if I don't need it except for this 1 client, and he's paying for it...then why would I buy it at all?

Steve Richards · 11-22-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NAV

i didnt look at the link he posted but why cant you buy some of the paint, find some rich sucker that wants it and just keep your cans clean.

that way every time you sell it you can put ProMar 200 in the can and make $145 per gallon.

just a thought.

Sorry, NAV

Didn't mean to ignore you.

I think that's a good idea...kinda shady...but still good.

I save old cans sometimes and use them to cut out of when I've got 5's.
I've had people come in, see the old can label, and say "hey..why are you putting ____ on my walls?"