How Long To Measure And Come Up With A Painting Price?

Originally Posted by Dave Mac

Doorman

The smaller guy can pull in 70 grand off a much smaller overall gross annual sales, but he has to have a much higher sale price (man hr rate), then the big guy.

I will try to explain better, its stuff I learned from Harry and Sigco.
smaller contractors think that the bigger contractors have more overhead then them. The overall number for the bigger contractor is larger, however it is a much smaller percentage, due to the fact the bigger guy is able to spread it over a larger number of people.

Sigo puts it another way as well.
A larger contractor makes a larger net profit on sales at $55/hr then the samller contractor can at $65/hr

dave

Originally Posted by Dave Mac

Sigo puts it another way as well.
A larger contractor makes a larger net profit on sales at $55/hr then the samller contractor can at $65/hr

dave

Originally Posted by George Z

I agree with Dave 100%.

I would make more profit with $38 per hour than a one man show at $55
And I get to be more competitive.

Originally Posted by George Z

I hire baby sitters, call them job managers

Originally Posted by George Z

No quality issues.
Lots of "one man" hacks out there too, I am sure you agree

Originally Posted by George Z

Variety is the spice of life

Originally Posted by George Z

you sure?

Originally Posted by George Z

I love the drama!

Originally Posted by Mr. Mike

Mr. Z,

Always good to read your posts.

I don't disagree with the overhead over all because I completely understand the break down over each person working, but we all know that most of the one man bands is getting paid almost 100% cash money, paying no taxes, no insurance, wife probably works and most of these guys keep a pretty good drug and drinking problem. So would that be lower over head when you break it down like that. Meaning this guy can charge less than $38.00 per hour.

Originally Posted by Mr. Mike

I could google around, but do I really need to.

Originally Posted by bobbyacro

I didnt know I had to account for my drug addiction when determining my overhead, now I have to go recalculate. Do I have to factor the individual type of drugs or can I just lump them together? Would a 15% mark-up on my drug use be fair to charge a customer? Do I have to let them know about the chronic masterbation and hooker murders or should I just work those costs into the cost of materials?

Originally Posted by WisePainter

I really hate liking you.

Originally Posted by WisePainter

I really hate liking you.

Originally Posted by WisePainter

Where is the "deep" logic in this way of thinking?
Unless you count all of the babysitting of your guys, the quality that varies from job to job due to multiple painters with varying skill levels, and the worst is all of issues that employees bring to you daily...

Sounds like you tried to expand and had no luck, Im living proof you can put crews togeather that you dont have to babby sit, and do a great job. I admire a one man shop, because I have done it, and its way way harder then running a crews imo, no way do I want to work all day, do estimtes, go to the paint store for materials, consult with clients, and paint all day. And what happens if you get hurt and cant go to work, no one to make you money, like I said I admire a guy willing to take all this on with out no help. Their is no right or wrong way, I do not insult your way of work, Please do not insult mine.

Your imagined profit begins to dwindle with each issue.

Idont know how any body runs a buisness with imagined profits, again with the insults, I use quicken and do weekly job reports, along with all fininciall reports to always know whear the money is going, nothing imagined about accounting, unless your ot doing it. Do you imagine your making a profit??

We both make the same amount at the end of the day. The only difference is I have much less drama.

Again with the assumptions, I have know idea or do I care what you make at the end of the day, and you have no idea what I make at the end of the day, Drama not in my company, I have zero tolerence for BS. I have painted fr the last 20 or more years, only the last five years have I decided not to paint anymore, I have been on both sides of the fence, and from this experience I seak of. You sound like you have never ran a successful crew and got frusterated with hiring all the flunkies out their and decided it could not be done, and anybody with a crew does crappy work, that is the impression I get anyways, if its wrong please correct me.