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Old 04-03-2015, 11:41 AM   #61
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I'm reading this as ~1500 sqft. I'm familiar with the house styles in general. It's a very easy spray, not much labor hours. Maybe 8 gals paint. Brush and roll is obviously slower.
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Old 04-03-2015, 11:55 AM   #62
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Don't confuse delivering poor quality with underbidding.
I'm not. I thought I was very clear.
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I'm not. I thought I was very clear.

You've been very clear that you think they underbid the job and as a result provided poor quality.

I don't know how you would know that they underbid the job anymore than I would know that they did not.

My point is that in this area, for that price, you can get a quality job.

Sometimes (a lot of times) poor work is not a result of underbidding a job. It's just bad management, careless employees, a lack of understanding of quality, a million other reasons.
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I think we can all agree these guys are scammers?
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I think we can all agree these guys are scammers?

Hacks. I don't know about scammers. Some people legitimately don't know what quality is.

But I'll give you a maybe on scammers.
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Looking at the picks this is D- work ad best. There are two ways to handle this.
1. Walk him through the problems (you don't want him to "fix" it because judging by the pictures he is incapable of producing even C+ work) AMD tell him it is best that he doesn't get the balance of the job and you will find someone else to do it properly.

Honestly he has painted over a dirty surface and the damage is already done.

2. Get a notebook, walk him around every inch of the house and agree on everything that must be done to remedy the situation (this will take some time). Then take of work for 2 or 3 days and sit in a lawn chair and watch them do it. Then when he says its "done" walk over every inch of it again. I would guess it will take 2 or three tries to get it to passable.

Honestly he is clownshoes. I have seen the student painting companies do better than this.
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I understand that, Shesbros. If I were to do it again and actually hire someone I would have hired my dad to handle the entire thing from beginning to end. I don't have time to just take off work for a week. I'm self-employed, business doesn't stop so I can get the house painted.

I did take time off to be there, not entire days, but I made stops in and talked to the guys and did several half days. That's how I knew that they would have had to put 2 coats on in 3 hours, as I was around and knew what state it was in going in to the last day. Some of it had some paint on it, mostly just the new Hardie plank, but it didn't have a coat on going in to that last day.

It isn't worth it at all for me to have that much down time, I'd rather just put in a couple hours here and there until I get it done. I already have the back porch almost finished and it's downhill from there. I pulled out one of their patch jobs and fixed it properly and have almost finished 2 other repairs that didn't get done right or they made and didn't finish. I also used a special technique called "magic painting" to get the Hardie plank painted where it slips past the deck. The deck is almost flush up against the walls on the back porch. It looked terrible since the boobs didn't paint it before putting it in, and obviously you wouldn't be able to once it was in.

Magic painting: With the help of a 5 year old(one of the reasons I wanted to hire this job out) I used my 18 inch or so flat screwdriver "pry bar" (I got it at a pawn shop to use for prying to save my screwdrivers, it is all rounded off) to wedge into the gap, creating a little extra space, and prying just a little. Then I got paint on one side of a foam brush and slid it in the crack. I got little or no paint on the deck(the painters had hit that edge quite a bit anyway). I went through 3 foam brushes, tossing each as they started to soak through. It worked great, so if you ever need to do that, it is a viable technique.
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You've been very clear that you think they underbid the job and as a result provided poor quality.

I don't know how you would know that they underbid the job anymore than I would know that they did not.

My point is that in this area, for that price, you can get a quality job.

Sometimes (a lot of times) poor work is not a result of underbidding a job. It's just bad management, careless employees, a lack of understanding of quality, a million other reasons.
What I am saying is that some "contractors" consistently bid low to get jobs and produce poor quality results. It's just what they do. They are cheap AND they suck. There could be many correlations between price and quality in addition to what I just said and there could be many cases where the two have no correlation. Clear?
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What I am saying is that some "contractors" consistently bid low to get jobs and produce poor quality results. It's just what they do. They are cheap AND they suck. There could be many correlations between price and quality in addition to what I just said and there could be many cases where the two have no correlation. Clear?

Sure. I guess I thought your statements had more correlation to this thread. I didn't realize you were making general statements about sub par contractors. I understand now.
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Sure. I guess I thought your statements had more correlation to this thread. I didn't realize you were making general statements about sub par contractors. I understand now.
Well, I reread the thread and I guess my responses didn't read the same way they did in my head. So, my apologies.
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What I am saying is that some "contractors" consistently bid low to get jobs and produce poor quality results. It's just what they do. They are cheap AND they suck. There could be many correlations between price and quality in addition to what I just said and there could be many cases where the two have no correlation. Clear?
Oh, ok, I get it. We have the same thing in the termite business. We've got these lowballers, lots of 'em, and it can be hard for people to understand the difference. They aren't doing the same thing I am going to do, or it would be below cost. Clearly, no one is going to sell work below cost, so their materials and methods must be different.
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I bought a Hyde Corner Ease on Amazon, should be here Wednesday. Did I just throw more money down the toilet?
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Hacks. I don't know about scammers. Some people legitimately don't know what quality is.

But I'll give you a maybe on scammers.
Yeah, I don't know what kind of 'professional' painter doesn't use paint brushes...
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That may be true in your area. As I said, most people pay less than I did to get their house painted here.

Even if it is underbid, that's irrelevant, as a fellow said earlier. I have underbid work before, I still did the job properly. It was a reminder to me to price things properly next time, not an occasion of me providing second rate work.

I understand your point, and have seen that happen. If a job is underpriced and the workers are paid on commission, they aren't going to do great work. These people are his employees, I expect them to do the same job every time no matter how much money the boss makes. He uses the same guys at every job. I doubt he has an A crew that does great work that he only brings in when someone is paying top dollar.
Exactly. if the contractor fails to properly quote the job... well that's the contractors fault...

Own up too it and be a man. Do the best quality job you can do and eat the cost.
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What I am saying is that some "contractors" consistently bid low to get jobs and produce poor quality results. It's just what they do. They are cheap AND they suck. There could be many correlations between price and quality in addition to what I just said and there could be many cases where the two have no correlation. Clear?
I know contractors that are high and still suck.

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Yeah, I don't know what kind of 'professional' painter doesn't use paint brushes...
I use Q-tips.
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I wouldn't give their work a D-, or even an F. It's an incomplete, 40 at best. The repair work was the best they did, and I had to pull some of it out and redo it, and it was poorly done all around. The siding seems fine. They boogered up a lot of stuff I'm having to fix. They did about half the caulking, I've been through 6 tubes and am mostly finished now. The actual painting I can't even score, maybe a 25. A fair amount still hadn't had any paint slapped on it. 10% of the surface, maybe more. None of the corners, edges, backsides, siding overlaps, or difficult spots had been painted. The open flat areas in the back probably got about a coat. The front of the house probably only got very lightly rolled with a single pass, no rolling back and forth until it's covered.

So I guess what I got is my siding replaced, some repair work, gutters and downspouts painted, and a starter coat. I've got the hard part behind me, it's all downhill from here.

I can see not using a paintbrush, provided you use a sprayer, trim pad, corner roller, or something to get all the trim and nooks and crannies. However, a quick once over with just rollers is simply faking it.
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I'm reading this as ~1500 sqft. I'm familiar with the house styles in general. It's a very easy spray, not much labor hours. Maybe 8 gals paint. Brush and roll is obviously slower.
He quoted it as 1400 sqft. I figure that's about right.

Now that I've done most of it and learned how to paint along the way, I can say it isn't a hard house to paint, and $2000 for painting it wouldn't be a lowball price. A lot of people think they have to get rich on every job.
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2500 to me is a fair price for labor and a house like that should take 3 guys 2-3 days. As was stated it should of been rolled on and backbrushed or sprayed on backbrushed followed by another coat, standard procedure, yes the caulking should of been done, I am familiar and was considering starting a franchise 6 years ago, the only training you recieve is business wise, not painting. I have had to learn on my own and when I started i produced similar work. But doing this for my 6th year I now am taking pride in my work and thus charging more. Yet sometimes I still make mistakes out of ignorance rather then trying to make a buck. I would never knowingly do shoddy work yet I know I have done some once I learn a new proccess or a better way to do it. For me I would have killed to have a painter mentor me, no one would unless I wanted to hire on at 8 an hour and work my way up. But anyways if it's cause of ignorance cut him a little slack it seems you are well versed in this area, help him out. If he is just trying to make a buck lay into him. I have been accused of the second even though I had no clue I was doing it wrong, thanks to paint talk and my SW reps I have come a long ways.
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Well you would have done better than the guys painting this house.

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