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Old 03-28-2015, 11:32 PM   #21
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Here's some of the siding on the porch. It doesn't show all the problems very well.

I'm tired of uploading photos. I could do a thousand more. I can't go more than a few inches without noticing problems, it's just the whole thing.
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Old 03-28-2015, 11:45 PM   #22
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Even a sloppy painter would caulk the gap at the chimney and shield off the chimney when they spray, covering at least some of the caulk. Personally, when caulk fails like that, I take it out and recaulk. That's the more or less usual way to do that.
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You got hosed. Sure, there is always a small spot or two that gets missed. These guys didn't even try. If you had paid 1,500 bucks, you could chalk it up to being a cheap ass. You paid good money, Call them back.

Even at 1,500 bucks, you should get a better job than that.
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I wasn't planning on getting into all that. I have pics I'll try to upload. $3850. It also included ripping out the bottom 3 levels of siding and putting in hardie plank, 8 on a short side of the porch and repairing 4 rotten soffits. I figured it was a good enough price, about $2500 for painting and the rest for carpentry, maybe a little high, but I thought I was hiring a better than average painter.

They didn't work a full day the last day, maybe half a day. There were several places that hadn't been painted at all. Pieces of trim here and there, the bottom edge of the trim above the brick, the inside edge of the trim hanging down from the soffit, most of the corners, the hardie plank and siding didn't get the bottom edge painted, extending down .5-1 inch, if you sit down on the back porch and look left the wall looks striped, it has that mottled appearance that you get after the first coat where you can see under, the chimney was just kinda sprayed at, the garage side door had bad paint that would rub off in little pieces and they didn't sand it like they said they would, they locked the garage door without telling us and when we turned it on it caved in the top and ripped the arm off, but I fixed it.

It just isn't finished, any place I stand out there, and I took a long good look at it with my dad, you see patchy paint, places missed that didn't get paint, very thin paint, cracks and holes from not caulking, it just didn't get prepped right and only got one coat. There were some places with flaking paint that should have been scraped and sanded that weren't.

Of course I'm not a painter, but my first thought was that I just got screwed. I expect when something is painted that it will be all that color, I don't expect to see a bunch of white caulk in all the corners and yellow stripes from the hardie plank and mildew, it still had grey mildew in the corners and other places. I had them painting a bunch of that before they left, but when you miss that much obvious stuff there's just going to be a lot more. I got out there and spent a couple hours painting today as I had figured I could just finish it myself, but it needs more than that, it just needs the first coat finished and the second applied. I stopped and took a look at the rest and realized it was too much, called the boss man up and he's coming out to take a look. He wasn't here for much of it.
Did their price include materials?
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2 coats at 200 s.f. (or whatever) per gallon or 2 coats at double that area per gallon? The latter would certainly go a lot faster than the former.
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Lap siding shouldnt be caulked on the underside. Painted yes, caulked no. It lets the house breath and the has room to expand instead of crack or trap moisture in the material.

Same with hardie, its in the installation instructions.
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Huh. Didn't know that. What about the siding at the top? Above the brick there is a piece of trim that comes down flush over the brick and that bottom edge is never caulked. They said it isn't supposed to be. I am curious because oftentimes bugs get in that way.


Here's where I am right now. They need to go back and do the prep right. Most of the important places such as corners and undersides that rot are not done right and not painted at all or very lightly.

Then there is the issue of two coats. It needs a second coat, but does this even count as a first coat? I don't think the first coat can even be finished I think it needs to be redone. In the places where you can really gauge how thick the coat is it is far thinner than you can do by hand with a brush. It's just lightly dusted with paint. I painted some scrap trim as lighlty as I possibly could with one coat and it looks way more painted than the stuff they did. I think I'm going to tell him to put two coats of paint on at the proper thickness.

He has a partner and the workers are employees. I am going to tell him I expect either him or his partner to be on site at all times until they are finished.
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I have 4 more pics I'll upload. I think they make the case as to why I don't consider this house to have even one actual coat. A coat being a layer of paint applied across the entire surface. These show <50% coverage. Considering how much of it has 0-50% coverage, I think it needs two actual coats of paint applied. These aren't trick shots of some flying buttress that you have to hang upside down from a cherry picker to get to, they are hip to eye level of the siding on the bathroom window casement. That's as accessible as it gets.

What do you think? Does this count as having a single coat of paint on it?
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You have to look close to see this stuff and I don't know how well you can on these pics, but you can see old color showing through the entire "layer". One even has green algae kinda stuff.
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Should I send him a link to this thread?
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It seems your house was in pretty rough shape, I would have charged a lot more. But they did do a crap job. Did they even power wash it?
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Yes, they power washed.
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Many times when the surface is in rough shape, yours looks like the old LP, I will also run a coat of Gripper primer first. This will be back brushed or rolled. It helps fill in the voids on the bottoms of the panels and small surface cracks, and gives it a much better finish in the end. Then I can just spray my two top coats most of the time as long as I am getting the coverage I need.
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Yes, they power washed.
Well it looks like they used plain water and no chemicals. Which doesn't do much of anything.
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Did you get what you payed for or did you hire a reputable professional?
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Should I send him a link to this thread?
That would be very effective? It would be great if he joined the conversation.
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Did you get what you payed for or did you hire a reputable professional?
Apparently neither.
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Here's some of the siding on the porch. It doesn't show all the problems very well.

I'm tired of uploading photos. I could do a thousand more. I can't go more than a few inches without noticing problems, it's just the whole thing.
Is that caulking underneath the side panels or dried paint?


If that's caulking who caulked it the painters or the side installers?
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Is that caulking underneath the side panels or dried paint?


If that's caulking who caulked it the painters or the side installers?
The same guys did it all. Well, I don't know if it was the same individuals, but they are supposedly all employees of the company.

If you are referring to the picture at the top of this page where you can see up the siding, that's on the porch. To the right of that picture many of them have been caulked underneath with standard white caulk. In the picture you can see the original yellow color of the hardie plank, and some of the whitish paint that in places bridges over the edge from one to the next. There is clear silicone caulking underneath several of the pieces of siding in that picture. They used silicone in many places that I have noticed. I didn't think you were supposed to use silicone. It doesn't seem to take paint very well.
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The same guys did it all. Well, I don't know if it was the same individuals, but they are supposedly all employees of the company.

If you are referring to the picture at the top of this page where you can see up the siding, that's on the porch. To the right of that picture many of them have been caulked underneath with standard white caulk. In the picture you can see the original yellow color of the hardie plank, and some of the whitish paint that in places bridges over the edge from one to the next. There is clear silicone caulking underneath several of the pieces of siding in that picture. They used silicone in many places that I have noticed. I didn't think you were supposed to use silicone. It doesn't seem to take paint very well.
100% silicone is not paintable but there are paintable clears. As someone else said it's not supposed to be caulked where the siding overlaps. This looks like a job that should have been pressure washed with chemicals, prepped properly, primed with brush and roller then sprayed 2 coats.

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