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Old 02-10-2009, 08:00 AM   #21
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Hello, i am sorry in advanced if there is a similar thread already started. I am starting a new business right now and am very confused on what to charge. I have been doing this for the past 7 years but i have always had the help of my husband. I no longer have his help and want to venture on my own. My husband was the one that always did the bidding on the jobs and even then, we did not make very much money. The last few months that i have been doing this on my own I have been blind bidding. I just look at what I'm doing and think " how long is this going to take me?" Well now that I am starting a 'real' business, I want a definite way for doing a bid. I know a couple of paint contractors and I have asked them what they charge and they have said about $1 a SF. I have heard that from a few different paint contractors, then today I talked to another one, that I know makes some really good money, say that he only charges .40 a SF. now to me that doesn't sound high enough. To begin with I am going to be concentrating on apartment buildings. It would be much appreciated if I can get som suggestions and feedback on how to charge or how much to charge, by the square foot for walls, ceilings and trim. Thank you so much in advance.
Posting your location would help.

When the contractor said $1 per ft2 did he mean floor area or on the wall?

1 coat, 2 coats?

There are many variables.

In apartment painting the best bet is to find out what the others are charging, they are usually paying by the unit not the square foot.

Apartment painting is production work, spray and go onto the next unit, quality is not that big of a deal.

When I used to hire painters to do apartments 15+ years ago we would pay $65 for a 1 bedroom and $85 for a 2 bedroom and we supplied the paint, David and Linda were good painting apartments and made a lot of money because tey were very efficient but when I hired them to do a house, they were out of their league.

Apartments are hard to get into and they don't pay very quickly, many of them are also very cut throat, you can be doing a great job and the next painter can come in $5 a unit cheaper and they will drop you in a heartbeat, I am always loyal to my subs.

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Fake it until you make it.
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Apartments are hard to get into and they don't pay very quickly, many of them are also very cut throat, you can be doing a great job and the next painter can come in $5 a unit cheaper and they will drop you in a heartbeat, I am always loyal to my subs.
When I did some apartments up in Michigan a few summers ago it took be between 90-120 days to even get paid. So in the mean time I was having to use my own money to supply materials. Never again will I do apartments. This is just my opinion after doing it.
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what you really should do is find a few good painters to work for you cheaper than what you charge for the job.
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hi crystal my name is Frank and i just read what you were asking i have the same problem for bids on apartment buildings i guess it should be less then private clients, it depends also where you are located

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Apartments are low low margins. Years go, I worked for a company doing apartment repaints. Us painters were each given a small airless and 5's of paint for our own car. Then we were give the addresses of 2 two bedroom units which each painter had to do by himself each day, wich included semi for the kitchen and bath. Forget any type of repairs of any water damage or dead animals in the place. Blow and Go. The owner probably charged a couple hundred per. That gig didn't last long for me.
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okay, Crystal here is a update from me Today i went to an apartment building to look at a studio,1 bedroom and two bedroom aptmnt. for a bid.

The previous painter was very undependable the prop-manager said, so with the sizes of the room i went home to make my quotes, but after reading on the net about how bad it pays, i decided to call the manager with the bold Question how much the other guy charged, i got the shock of my life.

With paint included it was $150 for the studio the paint that i need alone is flat for the walls, semi gloss for the trim/doors and satin for the kitchen and bathroom.
So i estimated 3, 1 and 2 gallons total price round $108 so i would make less then 50 bucks for at least a whole day of work.
First i was happy by getting to do apartments but now I''m not so sure anymore.

I am going to charge at least $350 on this studio and if they don't like it they can do it them selves or rip off another painter.

A lot off people don't get it how time consuming painting is I will for sure mention it when i give the quote.

good luck with your bid's FRANk
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okay, Crystal here is a update from me Today i went to an apartment building to look at a studio,1 bedroom and two bedroom aptmnt. for a bid.

The previous painter was very undependable the prop-manager said, so with the sizes of the room i went home to make my quotes, but after reading on the net about how bad it pays, i decided to call the manager with the bold Question how much the other guy charged, i got the shock of my life.

With paint included it was $150 for the studio the paint that i need alone is flat for the walls, semi gloss for the trim/doors and satin for the kitchen and bathroom.
So i estimated 3, 1 and 2 gallons total price round $108 so i would make less then 50 bucks for at least a whole day of work.
First i was happy by getting to do apartments but now I''m not so sure anymore.

I am going to charge at least $350 on this studio and if they don't like it they can do it them selves or rip off another painter.

A lot off people don't get it how time consuming painting is I will for sure mention it when i give the quote.

good luck with your bid's FRANk
Apartments have to be worked different than a regular repaint. Apartment painters would paint that studio in an hour and a half = sprayer.
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Now that I have seen Crystal pic I apologize for my comments earlier
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Was wondering who was going to go down that road first.
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Was wondering who was going to go down that road first.
LOL i am surprised it took two days though.
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Could be a 50 year old man who knew the best way to make you fellas spill the beans about the business was to pretend to be a chick.
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hee sean i forgot to mention dat the trim and doors have to be painted also so no spray paint job would work , i dislike spraying anyways delivers a bad job and the costs are more plus that is for lazy painters .

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I guess I am a lazy painter then because if I can spray then I will. I didnt buy a sprayer just to get the free t-shirt that came with it. How would spraying cost you more ??? Any lost material should more then be made up for in less man hours.
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hee sean i forgot to mention dat the trim and doors have to be painted also so no spray paint job would work , i dislike spraying anyways delivers a bad job and the costs are more plus that is for lazy painters .

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So my conundrum is the fastest way to do a two color apartment repaint trim walls ceilings. I usually mask, shoot the trim, shoot walls and ceilings with a shield, then cut in walls to trim and touch up. I've got a two bedroom/kitchen cabinet and trimwork job down to two days. Anyone have a better way?
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So my conundrum is the fastest way to do a two color apartment repaint trim walls ceilings. I usually mask, shoot the trim, shoot walls and ceilings with a shield, then cut in walls to trim and touch up. I've got a two bedroom/kitchen cabinet and trimwork job down to two days. Anyone have a better way?
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hee sean i forgot to mention dat the trim and doors have to be painted also so no spray paint job would work , i dislike spraying anyways delivers a bad job and the costs are more plus that is for lazy painters .

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A quality spray finish is a much better finish than a brush or roller. Spraying isn't really being lazy. The trick is being able to do both spray and hand work. Then it comes down to what is most practicle for the paticular job. It is not always practicle to do all the prep work and clean up involved to spray. Sometimes the best thing to do is to dip the brush.

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I guess I am a lazy painter then because if I can spray then I will. I didnt buy a sprayer just to get the free t-shirt that came with it. How would spraying cost you more ??? Any lost material should more then be made up for in less man hours.
Don't get upset it is just one guys statement.
Here is the deal you stick with what you know and a lot of people hate change. My father inlaw got me into this gig and it took many many many many spray jobs before he warmed up to me using the sprayer. Now when it comes to trim or ceilings he wants it sprayed.
For things out of the norm has to be pursuaded that it is the best way.
A lot of spray guys out there do not know how to properly work a brush and roller and without their sprayer they are kind of screwed. Just like Frank here probably does not have much if any spray experience so to him he steers clear of it and feels that it is cheating or a inferior way of painting.
The thing about this job is you have to always be looking for a better way to improve things. Once you stop doing that then you are in a rut.

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LOL good one.
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