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Old 12-06-2015, 11:41 PM   #41
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The first pic is the front entrance.
The second pic is the hall door that was made from scratch.

I guess you can do soooo much better.
Or should I say your workers can.
Sorry hot shot, I've personally hung more frigging doors than you'll ever see....

As a handyman you have no business doing structural work,...

WTF, you couldn't even paint it....
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Old 12-06-2015, 11:55 PM   #42
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Sorry hot shot, I've personally hung more frigging doors than you'll ever see....

As a handyman you have no business doing structural work,...

WTF, you couldn't even paint it....
Does that mean you can do it better or does that just mean you have been doing it longer?

I don't see where this does anybody any good.

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We brush a fair percentage of doors. Doors have traditionally been brushed, and I much prefer that look to rolled. Homeowners seem to be OK with it too.
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When painting on first coat the paint seamed not to flow smoothly.


Come the second coat (four hours drying it was even dried on the interior corners of the raised panels) it was impossible. I was forced to put it on thicker to cover without leaving bear spots. When I came back it was horrible with runs and brush marks.

Could it be because the door was colder than the room being a exterior door?

The Paint was new.
I had a 3"brush
I am a quick painter

How could I avoid this in the future?
If it does not "flow" as expected ... stop and figure out why.

Second coat didn't "flow better than first, see above comment. What you describe is painting over a surface that has not cured properly. What did the directions say, specifically about recoating? What was the recommended brush? What did the 'pros' at Lowes say? It's a home owner friendly product from a box store, what have you used in the more pro supply lines for comparison? Hell, did you stir the paint?

If everything thing you say is as it should have been done - Don't use that paint again. Either you did something wrong, very wrong or it's bad paint.

Being really proud of workmanship is one thing. Being so proud of yourself not to think that maybe 'Griz' beyond really knows his chit. And you have problems with an apply and let dry process. Is kind of funny to me.

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I prefer a brushed look even for trim. Of course, most work I do is either previously brushed, or matching old work.

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With all but the fastest drying paints, I like to roll and back brush them. Use a mini roller to apply the paint quickly, and stroke it out in the direction of the grain. With some practice this method can apply a thicker coat faster than brushing alone. And that seems to be the key to good flow. Works particularly well with Advance.

Some of the newer low/0 VOC acrylics are hard to get to flow out because of reduced open time. Speed of application and minimum tooling seem to be the trick. There is just no time to play around with them. If you brush over an area more than two or three times it starts to gum up. Put it on and leave it alone works best.

I know guys that do a fine job doing roll only. I just don't prefer the look myself with most paints.
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Forming the porous film that eventually cures into a hard film. That's what's behind the chunks that will form in some of the paint and primer in one products right in the can. It's right on the edge of consolidation.
Oh, "goes to tack". That's the problem I had to work out when going from oil to the low VOC acrylic. By the time I'd brushed in the moldings around a panel, any flat area hit was already going to tack, and telegraphing through when I rolled the flats.

If I tried doing the molded area as I went, then a few minutes later, there'd always be a corner or 2 that would want to weep out a drip or two, and it was already too late to pull it with a brush, or re-roll into the field.

So, the method is a modified version of what Rob does, using the pinkie roller. Cut in the panels, get all the door wet except the outer stiles, roll once more "with the grain" on rails and panels to where they meet the outer stiles, then those outer stiles last.

The foam roller is the cats meow for me on clear finishes - just never got it to work with paints on the vertical.

I won't say my rolling VOC acrylic is smooth as glass, but I'd be unhappy if you could look at it from an angle and say "yup, definitely done with a roller".
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We brush a fair percentage of doors. Doors have traditionally been brushed, and I much prefer that look to rolled. Homeowners seem to be OK with it too.
Traditional around here as well.
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It was also traditional to brush walls.

Aint nobody got time for that.
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I don't think that spraying doors is a new thing or that rare of a method used. My point was when you can't spray, a foam roller is a great alternative.

Personally, I don't like brush marks on my finish work, traditional or not. I have had many people over the years ask if we sprayed the doors that we rolled. I know guys like Carzie dismiss anything that deviates from his old dog tricks and techniques as the lack of skill and knowledge and I would wager that he would also dismiss satisfied customers in the same manner. But in the end, that is all that matters, is your customer happy with the end result.
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We spray if possible, brush otherwise. Spraying requires my involvement, brushing doesn't.
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The only time I roll and don't lay off doors is on the exterior side of smooth metal when I can't keep a wet edge. No not an optimal look but it beats terrible brush and lap marks. I brush interior doors all the time but you can't fiddle around, do it in the correct order very quickly. And don't attempt a 2nd coat until the following day.

Beats a badly done spray finish and good luck touching those up.
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You would loose that wager, I strive for happy customers...that is my number 1 goal. I rarely brush out doors with a mock grain, except for the in lay and cutting around hinges. If I had 1 door to do I wouldn't break out a 4" roller to do it, I have enough skill and knowledge to brush it out while keeping a wet edge. I do brush out metal exterior doors that have no mock grain, IMO it looks funny having roller stipple on the flats and brush strokes in the in lays, around the glass and along the hinge side.

I've never and I mean never had a customer ask me to re do a door because of brush strokes or roller stipple.

I'm with avenge, I can't stand foam rollers, you spend more time dipping the roller and trying to move what little paint it holds around evenly. Mohair or micro fiber for 4" and 5-10mm 91/2" on doors with a mock grain.

Call me an old dog if you like but my techniques work and work well. As I've said in a previous thread, learn to use a brush...it is your friend.

One more point I know spraying is huge in the US not so much in Canada, except for spraying commercial or primers etc most is done via brush and roller. What spray work I do see is on cookie cutter sub divisions. So I guess we're a bunch of old dogs up here.

I have also had customers comment my work looks sprayed even though all was done via brush and roller.

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You would loose that wager, I strive for happy customers...that is my number 1 goal.

You didn't understand what I was saying. What I was saying is that if I say my customers like the result of rolling you would dismiss it by saying they don't have the skill or knowledge to know what looks good.

I rarely brush out doors with a mock grain, except for the in lay and cutting around hinges. If I had 1 door to do I wouldn't break out a 4" roller to do it, I have enough skill and knowledge to brush it out while keeping a wet edge. I do brush out metal exterior doors that have no mock grain, IMO it looks funny having roller stipple on the flats and brush strokes in the in lays, around the glass and along the hinge side.

That's where you lack the skill to do it right. The only reason I brush a 6 panel in the lay is to get paint in the corners, then I go over it with the roller. You say I don't have the skills to brush, or at least you keep hinting at it, but I never said that I can't or don't brush. I just don't like the look. No matter how wet your edge is there will be brush marks. No matter how I roll there will be a slight stiple. I like the stiple you like the brush strokes.

I've never and I mean never had a customer ask me to re do a door because of brush strokes or roller stipple.

Ditto for my rolling. Like I said, to each his own.

I'm with avenge, I can't stand foam rollers, you spend more time dipping the roller and trying to move what little paint it holds around evenly. Mohair or micro fiber for 4" and 5-10mm 91/2" on doors with a mock grain.

Like you have repeatedly said to me...skill and knowledge. I've already stated that I can roll a door in 10 minutes.

Call me an old dog if you like but my techniques work and work well. As I've said in a previous thread, learn to use a brush...it is your friend.

Using a roller doesn't mean that one can't brush. That's why you are an old dog. You refuse to see any other method that you can't master as a valid method.

One more point I know spraying is huge in the US not so much in Canada, except for spraying commercial or primers etc most is done via brush and roller. What spray work I do see is on cookie cutter sub divisions. So I guess we're a bunch of old dogs up here.

I have never seen someone brush bookshelves or wall units, they all get sprayed, no matter where you live. Fine furniture and furniture grade cabinets are not brushed, but sprayed, no matter what country you are in. Why? Because it looks better. Same with doors, IMO.

I have also had customers comment my work looks sprayed even though all was done via brush and roller.
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I looked over CT and can't find a single picture of your work. Nor can I find a link to your website. At least I have the balls to post pics and to link both my website and my FB page which has all of my work.
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I have never seen someone brush bookshelves or wall units, they all get sprayed, no matter where you live. Fine furniture and furniture grade cabinets are not brushed, but sprayed, no matter what country you are in. Why? Because it looks better.
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I've done tons of this with a brush. You can't get a better finish spraying than you can by hand, but you can do it a lot faster
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I have never seen someone brush bookshelves or wall units, they all get sprayed, no matter where you live. Fine furniture and furniture grade cabinets are not brushed, but sprayed, no matter what country you are in. Why? Because it looks better.
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I've done tons of this with a brush. You can't get a better finish spraying than you can by hand, but you can do it a lot faster
You can't get a better finish spraying than by brushing? I'll have to disagree.
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