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Old 12-05-2015, 09:07 AM   #1
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Horrible Painting


I want to start by saying that I take a lot of pride in my work and always strive to improve it. As a true handyman I am responsible for a lot of trades and I am a sponge for knowledge.

I recently cut a hole through a exterior wall to installed a new header and door.

I picked up some Valspar paint at Lowes to match existing interior trim.

When painting on first coat the paint seamed not to flow smoothly.


Come the second coat (four hours drying it was even dried on the interior corners of the raised panels) it was impossible. I was forced to put it on thicker to cover without leaving bear spots. When I came back it was horrible with runs and brush marks.

Could it be because the door was colder than the room being a exterior door?

The Paint was new.
I had a 3"brush
I am a quick painter

How could I avoid this in the future?
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Old 12-05-2015, 09:21 AM   #2
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I had that happen many many years ago. Painted my kitchen with Behr. When I came back a few hours late the paint had runs, drips, was still super tacky and it had even slide down the wall in a few places.

Problem that I have with your scenario is when you put on a second coat after you knew the first want right. You can top bad with bad and expect a good result.

You probably should scrape, sand, prime and repaint.

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Need more info, what was the substrate, what was the base, color and sheen what was the temp? Exterior paint I presume?

I never 2nd coat trim work on the same day because the 1st coat really isn't dry enough for an optimal finish.
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Depends on what the manufacturer recommends for recoat.
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The first coat did not apply as smooth as I am used to but for first coat it wasn't bad enough to raise eyebrows.
You are right on having to strip sand and start again.

Door was fiberglass (new) with factory white prime.
Trim was wood, and factory white primed.
Top coat is SG, light beige color.
Room was, I am guessing, about 68 deg inside,outside temp was Mid forties.
All painting is interior with interior paint.
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1) It's fiberglass - no moisture from the paint is going to move into it like it will on drywall and wood.

2) Room temp matters, but humidity and surface temp is also important. There's no way I can guess what this was.

Best guess is you needed to let the first coat dry longer, and put the second coat on thinner, even if you have to roll it out to get coverage.

I don't know about your specific paint, but a lot of paints now are a race between consolidation and drying. If it consolidates faster than it dries, it's going to be prone to running / sagging.
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Sounds like bad batch of paint. Maybe should have added a little flotrol or even water to get it to flow better.
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The Paint was new.
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Roll it on thin and let it cure longer. If the door surface is cold, set up lights / fan / heater to warm it and help speed cure.
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Roll it on thin and let it cure longer. If the door surface is cold, set up lights / fan / heater to warm it and help speed cure.
yup.
I can't imagine painting a door with today's paints using a brush.
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I had a fiberglass door this summer that we brushed on two coats and it looked terrible.
I mean terrible. I finally made my brother sand it and I sprayed it with the same paint and it looked great. I swore then and there to never brush another door.
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I had a fiberglass door this summer that we brushed on two coats and it looked terrible.
I mean terrible. I finally made my brother sand it and I sprayed it with the same paint and it looked great. I swore then and there to never brush another door.
Exactly. I have brushes for cutting in walls. The sprayer is for trim and doors.
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Now this is a horrible painting.

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Now this is a horrible painting.

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Looks like the mat at the local paint store's mixing station...
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I have had mixed results brushing doors. New fiberglass seems to need at least 5 coats or more if it isn't white. I prefer to brush old prepainted doors. I can usually brush one out as fast as I can roll, or I at least feel I am getting better coverage with a brush.

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have to agree brushes and modern paint don't mix on smooth surfaces.

I know an older lady (good friends) who wants new base trim.......she is picky and says NO BRUSH MARKS, I always tell her good luck with that. I know I'm not that good of a painter. we did a jaccuzi tub and I used a smooth roller and she didnt like the "texture" LoL
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As stated it's nearly impossible to get a decent finish with a brush on a smooth door with most latex paints. The primer could have caused the paint to drag. And as I said the 1st coat wasn't dry enough to apply a 2nd coat, it would have applied much smoother if you allow it dry 24 hours.
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If I am painting a door and for whatever reason I can't spray I use a foam roller. I can get a pretty good finish from this method, but it takes patience and a light hand.
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If I am painting a door and for whatever reason I can't spray I use a foam roller. I can get a pretty good finish from this method, but it takes patience and a light hand.
I can't stand foam rollers I use these they're more like 3/16" than 1/4"http://www.woosterbrush.com/other-to...r-red-feather/
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I can't stand foam rollers I use these they're more like 3/16" than 1/4"http://www.woosterbrush.com/other-to...r-red-feather/
Yup, that's them. I just unpacked the truck this AM, and was gonna take a pic of a 6" on the handle so others would comment - it's all I've ever used.

Yes, I know spray is smoother - if the customer needs that - then I'm not your guy.

I'm on my last "pinkie" and the nap is down to maybe an 1/8" and it still works slick as snot on acrylic satin & semi.
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Brushing out doors is an art and takes skill and knowledge to achieve a nice finish, especially exterior. I'm not saying you can ever stop brush marks but rather getting it to an acceptable point. Choosing the right paint is a start.

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