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Old 01-16-2008, 01:09 PM   #1
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o a little about my company first: I am like most paint companies that there is essentially a demand formula similar to a bell curve. I do primarily residential repaints and for the most part it is out of necessity to protect the exterior of their home. Winter and Fall there is little demand for residential repainting services in my neck of the woods and every painter is slow and willing to cut their own throats left and right. I am going to go to a plan where I will essentially work for 9-10months a year and do what I do best and that is to hire some extra college kids during the summer that have usually worked for another paint contractor in the past and start what I like to call my GREEN PAINT DIVISION.

I will have my 2nd hand man be in charge of shop and gear. My GPD (Green Paint Division) will operate out of cargo trailers that will be equipped with all the gear that they need to get the job done. I will have inside a utility sink that I can hook up to the water at the jobsites. I will have a microwave, and a mini-fridge to keep people from doing those long lunch runs and include some drinks they could make in a nalgene as those small things people like and that will keep them from using bottles (waste).

Every year I have my main guys which will still be in my "production division" that drive around in their box truck and spray out homes. However when I double my staff during the Summer and have them spray I incur with a slow learning curve every year and buy the time they make the time and quality standards that I would consider sufficient the exterior season is over. Not to mention the wasted hours cleaning up overspray that an experienced person could have seen and all the pump repair and someone that goes through the miscellaneous spraying sundries like no tomorrow and killing the budget. So for my GPD we will roll everything.

By brushing and rolling exterior we will use a fair amount of less product cutting back on waste and we will save a lot of masking tape, paper and plastic that I dispose of thousands of pounds of every year especially producing new construction interiors. (Another plus for the environment)

We will be using paints that are approved of by the Master Painters Institute that are at least GS-1 approved. If you don't know what that is google it. By brushing and rolling we will use less water for clean-up. We will clean and re-use rollers in a custom rigged PVC tube that cleans a roller cover in less than a minute. We will leave roller covers in a bucket of water and spin them dry before use to keep them primed and good to go. We will trim the edges with scissors as we do get the occasional dried paint edges.

In order to keep fair production I looked into products that could help speed this process up. I believe that we will be using Wooster's Big Ted 2.25" Diameter roller's with their 1/2" nap roller covers to hold more paint per dip. For getting underneath the bevels of lap siding, to paint the soffit edges and to paint the gutter fascia combo we will be using "Corner Ease" if you don't know what it is then google it. Both of these products hold a significant amount of paint and should save on multiple dips.

For caulking I will probably use Dap Dynaflex 230. I can support that company because they do have some green initiatives and this caulk is a greener product that some others and applies easily. What do you guys think? Is there another caulk that performs well and is considered a green product?

I am still looking into wood filler and exterior spackling compound for green products that perform well....any ideas?

I currently have a gas pressure washer and once I have the money I would like to upgrade it to a diesel pressure washer that I could run biodiesel which would be a lot more environmentally friendly because small gas motors don't have catalytic converters and release a lot of pollution. (California is changing this soon). Any better washing ideas?

I also do downstreaming when I pressure wash with a cocktail of chemicals including industrial bleach, Simple Cherry and F-13 gutter bomb. The later two products can be found at www.pressuretek.com and do a great job of exterior chemical cleaning of homes. Also saves me ladder movements with the X-jet. Does anyone have any ideas of "green" alternatives to this mixture? The simple cherry is fine but is there anything besides bleach to remove mold and mildew? Any alternatives to the F-13 which cleans the black streaks off of gutters which I believe are iron deposits? I don't remember for sure.

So what I have discussed as being green so far is 1)to brush and roll as opposed to spray my exteriors. This will save paint, prevent overspray, sprayer downtime, eliminate having to train someone to inefficiently spray for most of my exterior season, prevent overspray on windows, cars, plants decks etc. Don't get me wrong we will still have to use sheets on plants and drops on the ground but the splatter just falls and doesn't get sprayed and blown 50ft. away. The paint spatter is easier to control. This will also saves thousands of dollars and thousands of pounds of waste from masking tape, paper and plastic as well as all the other disposables required to use a paint sprayer. I also believe a lot of people could be sold on rolling because it works the paint into the siding better and it's easier to control sheen as opposed to spraying. 2)Wash and reuse roller covers to reduce waste. I also find they don't start to work well until the third or fourth use. Less money and less waste. 3) We will use paint, primer, caulk, and other exterior products that are green/low VOC. We will do our best to recycle all paint cans and buckets that come our way which will require some extra water (pressure washer) but will cut back on waste. 4) Most of our contracts will be via email and then all of our paperwork from follow-up mailers, brochures, business cards, operation manual binders, operation manual papers and all paper is from 100% recycled sources that use environmentally friendly products in the production process. I will eventually have all vehicles run off of biodiesel but that is in the 3-5 year plan. I would like to have products available in my area such as Mythic Paints, Safecoat paints, Aura etc. For now I have access to Sherwin Williams, Kelly Moore, Benjamin Moore, Rodda, Cloverdale, Parker, PPG, and the box store brands. They all (except parker) have green options.

What I am asking from you....what can I do to run exterior production even greener? Also what can I do to be more efficient in exterior production? What do you think of going green? With the everchanging economy and so many painters saturating my area I will be the first to make a significant switch. What's the slogan?....CHANGE OR DIE! Most will just use low voc products. I am going above and beyond that. There is a huge market for this in my area and I will be on top. Thanks for all your input and advice.


~todd

P.S. Sorry for typing so much and I appreciate it if you actually read the whole thing. This is a big change for me and I look forward to the transition.
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Old 01-16-2008, 05:16 PM   #2
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I don't think there is or ever will be a market for 'green' painters. Once in a while a customer may spec - but so what - anyone can use a certain product - how does that differentiate yourself?

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Todd,
Your post is waaayyyyy to long.
I stop reading it after first paragraph.

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PlainPainter;357292]I don't think there is or ever will be a market for 'green' painters.
So many years later, most still think the same,
but more money for us...

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Once in a while a customer may spec - but so what - anyone can use a certain product - how does that differentiate yourself?
It is hardly ever about the product finally, don't you know that:

http://www.greenissexy.org/today.php

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Wow, Todd. You think a lot. I think that is good. You do provoke the thinking process. Sounds like you do great work whether it is green or the old way. Agree with you on the spraying method. Sounds like you have great ideas on clean up and such. And you're a great writer!
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I have had the same idea for this area. I think it would make for a great press release and be a good way to maybe target a higher end market.
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I don't think there is or ever will be a market for 'green' painters. Once in a while a customer may spec - but so what - anyone can use a certain product - how does that differentiate yourself?

Plainpainter- I don't think you read my whole posts. It was long but here's a short list:

-brush & roll to save 30% off sprayed product
-clean & reuse roller covers (less waste)
-recycle buckets
-biodiesel pressure washer (less pollution)
-I will use house cleaning chemicals that are less invasive to plants
-minimize paperwork all around and have a paperless office (less waste)
-use low/no voc products to minimize environmental impact
-ideally the cargo trailers and carpooling because in the long run it will spare using a huge fuel inefficient box truck (like we use now)
-also utilizing products from companies that are trying to make an impact

If that means nothing to you then keep on keepin' on
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Plainpainter- I don't think you read my whole posts. It was long but here's a short list:

-brush & roll to save 30% off sprayed product
I don't know any residential painter that sprays unless they work for G.C. working in unoccupied homes, and even then the amount you save in materials, you lose in extended man-hours, materials are far cheaper
-clean & reuse roller covers (less waste)
I find for most jobs I usually just end up bagging a roller and keep it for the 2nd coat the next day - you could save money by saving them at the end of the job - but again you have to balance paying your help the time to clean them vs. saving a used roller - and I starting to think that cleaned rollers are perhaps opened up too much and lay on paint like cheaper rollers. I am cheap guy myself - but I am rethinking cleaning the roller sleeve as a waste of man-hours and potentially doesn't do as good a job as new roller - not to mention the 'professional' factor when homeowners see a bundle of brand spanking new roller sleeves in the box of materials at the start of each job. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.
-recycle buckets
paint bucket liners? I already do this, along with roller tray sleeves
-biodiesel pressure washer (less pollution)
I haven't seen a biodiesel pressure washer - I think you are going overboard on this one - not to mention there is alot of critism of biodiesel being even more pollutive than their gasoline counterparts, let the 'market' dictate this purchase, if all pressure washers become biodiesel, then that's what you buy - just get the best deal you can, buy hybrid vehicles if you want to satisfy your conscience.
-I will use house cleaning chemicals that are less invasive to plants
If you use bobs simple cherry and sodium hypochlorite, you will never do any better - some try all the time, nothing comes close to the killing power of bleach along with the synergistic effects with simple cherry - just rinse rinse rinse - you will be ok. Just experiment with the least amount of chemicals to get the job done - we will never live in a world without chems, and molds and mildew laugh at everything that isn't a strong oxidiser
-minimize paperwork all around and have a paperless office (less waste)
-use low/no voc products to minimize environmental impact
I see no proof that low VOC products have any impact on the environment whatsoever. VOC's are constantly being emitted by trees in quantities that dwarfs the emissions from coatings. It's the reaction of VOC's and nitrous oxides that create smog - well nitrous oxides come from tailpipes - and there is plenty of Terpenes and isoprenes released natrually from trees to react with all the car emissions out there. Don't be fooled by this one.
-ideally the cargo trailers and carpooling because in the long run it will spare using a huge fuel inefficient box truck (like we use now)

-also utilizing products from companies that are trying to make an impact

If that means nothing to you then keep on keepin' on
These are just some of my thoughts.
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There are currently 17 different reasons you can call a building product 'green'. The one that resonates with 99% of all consumers is HUMAN HEALTH.

Most paints will continue to emit unreacted monomers for 2.5 to 4.5 years after full cure. Obviously, the odor is gone far before that. But think of how many toxic materials have no odor.

There are paints that have been on the market for 25-30 years made by AFM Safecoat, that are not only eco-friendly, but completely free of health hazards and toxins. Plus, they'll even seal up the existing surface.

My suggestion is, appeal to your customer's desire for a healthier home and your desire to live a long healthy life.
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Human Health? Where is the consumer outrage? Document all the cases where paint is to blame for the poor souls that have become sick from having their houses painted, interior, or exterior! Green is the latest liberal religion. Sounds all good, but my own exhaled breath reaks of carbon dioxide, a declared polutant, and I just can't quit breathing. Maybe all the the green folks should just stop smoking!

Happy painting, Paul.
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Human Health? Where is the consumer outrage? Document all the cases where paint is to blame for the poor souls that have become sick from having their houses painted, interior, or exterior! Green is the latest liberal religion. Sounds all good, but my own exhaled breath reaks of carbon dioxide, a declared polutant, and I just can't quit breathing. Maybe all the the green folks should just stop smoking!

Happy painting, Paul.
Do you go from board to board to agitate people? Obviously.

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Green is the latest liberal religion.
There is a forum here for that

This is definitely a case of if you have nothing good to say,
say nothing at all.

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Document all the cases where paint is to blame for the poor souls that have become sick from having their houses painted
First,
you wouldn't be allowed in most homes here with this blatant disrespect for
the home owners Indoor Air Quality.
Second, you are giving us all contractors a bad name.

Lead paint problems... a myth
Mercury... not an issue
Formaldehyde and other toxins...good for breakfast

Enough people have died from these chemicals and more.
What do you want nanes and addresses?
Have you seen what some old painters sound and look like?
There was never a need for respirators they were told.
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Paul's a troublemaker
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I wonder how many people actually realize that several of the chemicals used to make water-based paint are classified as narcotics and human toxins. Of course, one can deny the existence of anything when one's head is buried in the sand.
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Human Health? Where is the consumer outrage? Document all the cases where paint is to blame for the poor souls that have become sick from having their houses painted, interior, or exterior! Green is the latest liberal religion. Sounds all good, but my own exhaled breath reaks of carbon dioxide, a declared polutant, and I just can't quit breathing. Maybe all the the green folks should just stop smoking!

Happy painting, Paul.
Yah, i have to try and see pauls side before jumping up and down on him.

There really isn't consumer outrage, or my phone would be ringing off the hook with customers looking for the ecopainter. It appears he is a conservative, and if I get the gist of it, they think the world is going to warm globally anyway without our pollution. I think that may be true to an extent, but we don't have to rush it.
He didn't mention the health hazards to painters, just consumers. I think consumers in general are not yet hot to clean up the painting industry any more than it already is. Lead and mercury have been gone from residential painting for a long time. Even though paints gas out, homes are generally ventilated. I didn't realize how much tonnage of junk was actually released into the air every day, by paint, until I saw it here somewhere.
And if you know me, you know I feel he has a right to say what he feels, good or not. Even though some of us are gearing up for the eco friendly business, I never saw anyone hopping up and down wishing there was greener paints.
Actually, it looks like George is just looking to beat up on someone, as long as it can be justified. Get a rope.

When I first decided to join a paint forum, it was a different one. I know some people there personally, and it made me sick to see them play a holier than thou role online, while in real life they aren't like that at all.

I've always maintained that a forum needs to reflect everyone, not just some peoples ideas of how the painting industry needs to be represented.

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I think you have a great idea and there is a large market for green conscious contractors in Colorado, especially Boulder, Denver, Aspen, Telluride and all your higher end markets. People who support green initiatives are willing to pay a bit more because they realize the long term effects of not being environmentally conscious.
You just need to get the word out. A few press releases to the local papers will help you get an article written (free PR). Call or email first to see specifically who you should contact at the newspaper and then follow up with a phone call.
What you wrote on this forum will make a great press release with a little editing. Good luck!
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alot of consumers might not know about the green options of paint products and the fact that offgassing can occur because they are to busy with their lives and developing their own crafts hopefully...just because the phone is not ringing off the hook(not a bad thought though)does not mean there is not a huge demand for these products..the envoronmental issues should be free of politics although it never will..but to call it a the newest liberal religion is provoking someone to argue with u.. and its not answering the original question.
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anybody reccomend how to recycle clear painters plastic after i reuse it and if it had not to much paint on it.....also should i recycle rosin paper.....
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You can recycle the rosin paper as long as there isn't anything on them that is too toxic. You can also buy a masking paper that is 100% recycled here:

http://www.rhimax.net/organicpaper/c...solutions.html

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