Great Interior S-G paint ???? - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

daArch · 06-08-2007, 03:32 PM

I'm new today, a friend, Prowallguy, said to join and post this question. I've been out of the painting business (wallcovering only now) since before interior latex started being acceptable. I was strictly an oil man. (mid 1980's)

Anyway, repainting what will be my office.

Question: I want a semi-gloss interior paint that will adhere well, levels well, and has a surface as hard as a 1950 lead paint

. Yah I want it all.

Prowallguy says Benny Moore Waterborne SI is good. But I would prefer a semi-gloss. I was very impressed a few years ago with PPG Exterior Manor Hall. Do they have an interior latex that would make me as happy?

I'm in the Boston/Providence area, so please no local to LA brands

(color choice no matter, I tint my own)

Open to all suggestions, thanks,

-daArch

Workaholic · 06-08-2007, 03:54 PM

Welcom to the forum Arch.
Manor hall interior/exterior is a good product. I run my interior trim with it. I also was raised on oil and switched to latex just a couple of years ago. The die hard SW ppl in here will probably suggest SW super paint.

gideond · 06-08-2007, 05:52 PM

I find Davis Paint makes a very hard durable ceramic finish called Perfection. They are out of VA but I'm not sure if you can get it in your area. PPG also makes a ceramic if I'm not mistaken so you may want to check into that.

BMAN · 06-08-2007, 08:05 PM

Sherwin Williams Pro classic will have the look you want but I don't know about the hardness.
Sherwins Duration home will have the hardness but I dont know if its the look.....

aaron61 · 06-08-2007, 08:24 PM

How bout a latex epoxy

VAinteriors · 06-08-2007, 08:29 PM

Try the new BM Regal Semi Gloss. It's like that Waterborne Satin Impervo, and way different than the old AquaGlo. We like it a lot. It's 100% Acrylic too.

**ProWallGuy** · 06-08-2007, 10:01 PM

Never heard of the Regal S/G. Wonder if its a new regional paint. I'd like to testdrive that sometime.

Frankawitz · 06-09-2007, 05:07 AM

Arch why not use oil? I don't know if this is what you want but Benny Moore has a paint called Iron Clad it's a self priming paint I used it last week on some exterior doors, this stuff went on real nice it has a semi gloss finish, it can be use interior/exterior. I don't believe your going to find a latex paint that will last like oil.

daArch · 06-09-2007, 06:14 AM

Thanks All for the ideas - glad to see nothing has changed in THIS industry - opinions abound.

Ceramic finish? is that a common designation of a sheen or a special formulation?

Epoxy? no thanks. I had a bad experience with an epoxy (SW Floor) and I'm now gun shy.

Why not oil? If the woodwork had oil now, I'd find a good one (I always like Calif Larcoloid - a polyurethane paint). Also, the new VOC laws have castrated our oil paints, IMO. If I knew more of the chemistry, I'd buy some oil and add what's been taken out.
But right now in that roomthere are a few layers of latex (bonding well) over who knows what (looks like two or three layers of latex, maybe some lead, then shellac, and finally stain). Window sashes are "new" (mid-1970's) and they were painted with latex. So I am not going to "reinvent" this room, just want a quick coat or two. Hey, it's only my office.

I'll look into the BM and PPG paints mentioned.

And thanks ProWallGuy, looks like I got a new avatar.

-daArch

Richard · 06-09-2007, 07:45 AM

I'll second the BM Regal Semi-Gloss and I also like SW Pro-Classic

Nothing will be as hard as oil, but I'm done with the environmental negatives that oil paint brings to the table. And so are the paint stores.

gideond · 06-09-2007, 08:20 AM

Ceramic paints contain ceramic microspheres in the paint itself instead of the common clay base. Clay is brittle and breaks easily, which is what causes burnishing in most paints. Ceramic is clay that has been kiln hardened so it won't break as easily. Ceramic finishes give you a lot harder finish that a traditional latex and depending on the grade of the materials used sometimes it's harder than solid acrylic paints. It's also more stain resistant. Davis's comes in Matte, Eggshell, and Semi-gloss. I'm not sure about PPG right off. I'd ask to see samples of it to determine a finish. In my experience the ceramics have a slightly higher sheen that a traditional paint of the same sheen classification. Davis's eggshell is a little shinier than a normal eggshell but not quite to the point of being a satin. I'd recommend against Pratt and Lambert's Porcelain finish. It's new. Looks like fine grit sandpaper, and it's eggshell looks like something between satin and semi-gloss. Even though I sell P&L I won't be bringing this in the store. It's not ready for market IMO. I say this just so you understand that you need to see the actual product to tell if it's something you are interested in. Ceramics aren't the same as traditional paints. I believe they have a deeper luster due to the different formulation. At least Davis's does. P&L is too shiny to tell.

Paul_R · 06-10-2007, 02:34 AM

Why all this talk reminds me of the old days when I was a pup and carried a rag in my back pocket bathed in a substance that they told me was oleum. I remember painting and going outside in the winter and it was just like taking a toke off a Kool cig.

Mr Gideond has som science behind his words, on an episode of "How the make that paint" they talked about the ceramic paint, was really interesting.

Happy painting, Paul.