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Old 12-17-2006, 09:30 PM   #1
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frustrating flashing

I have had previous problems with promar 200 eggshell and flashing. I painted a stairway. Primed properly. Sanded between coat. When you go down to the bottom of the stairs it still looks like crap. I did it like three times. Very frustrated. Should I move up to a higher quality paint on long walls such as this. Would that help?

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Old 12-17-2006, 09:42 PM   #2
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What exactly are you seeing? Tape joints always seem to be poorly done on staircases. Paint will not hide a poor tape job.
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Old 12-17-2006, 09:55 PM   #3
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I dont think the paint is an issue. Flashing comes into affect if you use a real low grade primer and paint. Usually its the texture job or on smooth walls overzealous sanding was done.
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:07 PM   #4
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...I did it like three times...
Three coats?
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:15 PM   #5
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I've only had one major problem with flashing, and it was with the 200 too. Did a whole basement. Looked great! However when the lights were off & the sun was shining in, you saw horrible cut lines. I cut smoothly, kept cut & roll wet with eachother, ect... I was amazed at how crappy it came out. That was long ago & I'm still stumped.

Not stating it was the paint... Could've been something on my part?

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Old 12-17-2006, 10:21 PM   #6
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It isn't the joints coming through. It is definitely flashing. Not roller marks. I did put three coats on. I didn't use real high grade primer. Maybe that has something to do with it. I got by with one coat on most of the whole house without much of a problem. Any other advice.
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Is this new walls? It's quite possible what you are seeing is burnt paper on the drywall. Paintpimp may be right on the over zealous sanding because it will burn the paper and cause a different fuzzy texture that will flash on you. I would look closely because you may be able to skim over it or use a high build primer to cover it if that's the case. Hard to say at this point.
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Old 12-17-2006, 11:45 PM   #8
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I love 200 egg because it doesnt flash, Its not something i have ever had a problem with.
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Old 12-18-2006, 12:35 AM   #9
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What exactly is flashing for you if its not the roller marks? Patches? Texture?

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Old 12-18-2006, 12:41 AM   #10
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It isn't the joints coming through. It is definitely flashing. Not roller marks. I did put three coats on. I didn't use real high grade primer. Maybe that has something to do with it. I got by with one coat on most of the whole house without much of a problem. Any other advice.
Are you cutting it all in then going back to roll it after the cut in is dried? Are you rolling choppy instead of smooth strokes tope to bottom? Are you boxing your paints as well as stirring the little bit of pigment at the bottom of each bucket? You can burn up the rock if you are not careful. I saw alot of that from the day labor guys who were hired by the rock people. I only scuff sand lightly with 220 grit enough to knock off the tree bark left by the spray n blow painters.
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hmm....

Traditions, are the walls bowed a bit? happens to me a lot where the walls are bowed and the roller ain't sittin' flat on the wall.

how big is this stairwell? If it's real big, you might want to consider rolling it out with an 18 and/or getting someone to cut low while you go high

And no, the paint quality is not the issue, the eggshell is. How good are you using eggshell? Stairwells are a bit slow at times. You've absolutely got to keep that wet edge--

A good paint job is achieved from that first prep and prime coat--if they were bad, you'll have issues no matter what
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Old 12-18-2006, 09:00 AM   #12
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I'll try to get a pic tonight. It is new construction.
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Old 12-18-2006, 12:14 PM   #13
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maybe it is the primer I'm using. I used pretty cheap primer. I call roller marks the lines left at the edge of the roller. Like tracks. I don't have those. I am calling the flashing were the sheen seems to be different from one roll to the other. I can see each time up and down the wall.
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Is it a deep color? I have had similar problems with Black, deep Reds or other colors that are all colorant.
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Old 12-18-2006, 05:09 PM   #16
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are you rolling down, then moving the roller to one side and rolling up the wall? If you're doing that then that's probably your problem.

Once you put the paint on, roll from top to bottom, if you're rolling up and down the stipple from the roller is laying in different directions.
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What size nap? If its less than a 3/4", your cheating yourself.
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Try nuking it down alittle (water/floetrol), and roll only in one direction. Looks awesome from straight on right, like garbage from the side towards the light source? shrink your pixels perhaps (lower your pile)

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Is it a 1 base, with tons of tint?
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Old 12-18-2006, 08:52 PM   #20
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Try using a non-directional roller. When most rollers are made, the fabric is layed in the same direction. Which can give you a different look when you roll up versus when you roll down. Check with your paint store if they have non directional roller. SW has one called Sherfab, that is nondirectional.
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