flat or satin for barn - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

Traditions2 · 05-12-2009, 08:12 AM

I am restoring an old barn. They want it repainted with barn red paint. They want it to look like it did back in the day. However, they want it to last. Would you do it in flat or satin? Originally I was thinking flat. However, a satin would probably hold up longer. The satin might not look right at first but after it weathers a couple months it would probably look fine. What do you all think. Flat or satin?

Steve Richards · 05-12-2009, 08:30 AM

I'd say flat.

But I might buy a quart of each, and let the owners see a sample on the wall.

NAV · 05-12-2009, 03:25 PM

I am also bidding a barn

I am going with solid color latex stain

NAV · 05-12-2009, 03:27 PM

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WisePainter · 05-12-2009, 03:31 PM

Red is one of the fastest fading paint colors, I would choose the latex solid color stain for ease of application every 2 years.

WarnerConstInc. · 05-12-2009, 05:20 PM

Use milk paint if they want it old fashioned!

paintr56 · 05-12-2009, 05:56 PM

I generally use Olympic solid latex stain. this has some shine similar to satin. The original barn paint would have been an oil varnish mixed with either rust or blood from a recently slaughtered steer and would have had a shine to it.

Jim

Wolfgang · 05-12-2009, 06:43 PM

Gotta agree with Wise on his answer. I will last longer, weather better, and the coverage will be better.

Traditions2 · 05-13-2009, 08:06 AM

I would think a good oil primer and a couple coats of a good quality latex would last longer. I like the idea of the stain. However, there is still a lot of paint on the barn I'm doing.

Traditions2 · 05-13-2009, 08:08 AM

NAV
That is going to be a great job. I love doing old barns. How long you anticipate that will take you? I assume you'll spray/backroll?

WisePainter · 05-13-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Traditions2

I would think a good oil primer and a couple coats of a good quality latex would last longer. I like the idea of the stain. However, there is still a lot of paint on the barn I'm doing.

I might suggest removing the existing paint (chemical strip/scrape/pressure wash) and then applying the latex stain in order to get a uniform appearance with excellent durability.
Not sure of the budget or the goal of the HO, but barns are getting rare and doing a restoration/preservation level finish will assure this one stands for years to come.
Either way you will be returning every couple of years to freshen up the red color, and latex stain is easy breezy to work with compared to paint.

Traditions2 · 05-13-2009, 08:57 AM

It would be nice because I wouldn't have to deal with spraying the oil primer. I hate oil!!

Traditions2 · 05-13-2009, 09:00 AM

Actually the barn I'm doing looks very similar to NAV's picture. There is a little more paint on it than that one but not a whole lot more. I've already powerwashed it. It would be a hard sell to say I'd have to come back every couple of years though.

Traditions2 · 05-13-2009, 09:01 AM

My biggest worry is the stain not sticking well to the old surface. I did one a few years back and primed with latex primer and it peeled in sheets after three months. Oil will lock that old wood up.

NAV · 05-13-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Traditions2

NAV
That is going to be a great job. I love doing old barns. How long you anticipate that will take you? I assume you'll spray/backroll?

I figure 24 man days and 40 gallons of material.

4 man day wash
14 man day stain
6 man day 2 coat of white trim - going with duration flat

I bet i can do it faster but i feel good whit the numbers I put on it. I will be using a boom lift.

Traditions2 · 05-13-2009, 09:53 AM

I would think you could spray and backbrush one coat on that thing in a couple of days?

NAV · 05-13-2009, 01:02 PM

Probably could coat it in a couple days but i will have 2 applicators and 1 ground guy. Plus, that silo needs to be protected and who knows what unexpected items we will run into.

i figured it at $0.80 per s.f. plus materials (over 8,000 S.F.). took that number and divided by the money i want to make per day and came out with those man days.

I added the material on after the high square footage price because it will probably drink the stain and there is a degree of difficulty getting around it. I am sure we will have to do some extras - if all is going well i can tell the guy that there is no charge - makes me look good.

Traditions2 · 05-13-2009, 01:06 PM

I understand. You never know what you might run into on an old barn like this.

Traditions2 · 05-13-2009, 01:08 PM

I was thinking in the ballpark of 6-7,000 for a barn like that? CLose to your number? Best of luck to you

Mr. Mike · 05-14-2009, 02:41 AM

Satin on the body and semi gloss on the trim

$8,000.00