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Old 03-20-2007, 07:23 PM   #1
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i have clean all ceiling, walls, doors, and trim in an apartment that has smoke and fire damage.All repairs have been made.what is the best primer/sealer to use on ceilings,walls,doors and trim before painting with latex paint
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:04 PM   #2
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Pro block oil or killz shellac

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i have clean all ceiling, walls, doors, and trim in an apartment that has smoke and fire damage.All repairs have been made.what is the best primer/sealer to use on ceilings,walls,doors and trim before painting with latex paint
Kilz original,(white can red letters) not sure they make a shellac based primer.10.00 a gallon at lowes make sure they shake it for a long time !!!!
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i always wonder in a home or an area of a home that has smoke damage...ie. over a fireplace how do you know where to use the pro block oil/kilz shellac/sherwin williams SF-1. is it only the areas that show the smoke damage or do you have to treat all the walls/areas of the walls?? is the SF-1 used in the same places the problock oil would work...with alot less stink??thanks
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Ya Kilz makes a shellac, so does SW. Far as smoke damaged homes, i'd say prime EVERYTHING with a shellac.
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Shellac is the way to go, done many and it is the only thing that will lock up the smoke odor.

Best thing to kill the odor from the primer is a commercial ionizer running for a day after the primer is applied.
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Shellac is the way to go, done many and it is the only thing that will lock up the smoke odor.

Best thing to kill the odor from the primer is a commercial ionizer running for a day after the primer is applied.
Someone called me today asking about heavy cigarette smoke. Went into this looonnnggg diatribe about how an ionizer could remove the smell of a dead body. I told him he could ionize all he wants. Cigarette stained house is still going to come back. Was I wrong? The house has dark paneling anyway so kilz would do everything. And is it ionize or de-ionize? Or is it actually ionizing by shooting negative ions?

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Zinsser's BIN primer. No two ways about it. There are pics of a job I did like this with cheap master hide paint on the walls (rental) and it turned out beautiful. Bid high...cleanup is a TON of work.
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Negative ions will not take smoke smell or nicotine out of ant type of material
They work well to eliminate order from the air but can not Penetrate most substrates were the odor is coming from.
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BIN shellac on areas that had heavy smoke and rest of house with Coverstain will work. When in doubt, shellac is the way to go.

Ever seal entire smoke damaged attics with sealer in august under the Florida sun. Not fun.
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Ya Kilz makes a shellac, so does SW. Far as smoke damaged homes, i'd say prime EVERYTHING with a shellac.
KILZ® Original

KILZ Original, interior oil-base formula, is America’s number one selling stainblocking primer/sealer that tackles the toughest stains.

Originally developed to replace pigmented shellac sealers, KILZ ...kilz does not make a shellac based primer !!! kilz was made to replace shellac based primers.
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The best for smoke and fire?
A pigmented shellac
I prefer Zinsser's B-I-N
SW makes one too

Kilz does not (make a pigmented shellac)
Not nationally anyway
If you guys have Kilz pigmented shellac, it must be a regional thing

See the line-up:
http://www.kilz.com/pages/default.aspx?NavID=22
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i have clean all ceiling, walls, doors, and trim in an apartment that has smoke and fire damage.All repairs have been made.what is the best primer/sealer to use on ceilings,walls,doors and trim before painting with latex paint
One thing I ran into on smoke damaged properties, is the smell remaining after paint. If the walls aren't removed and flooring isn't removed, there's no guarantee.

(That's ok Joe, just paint it). OR (Insurance Joe, Insurance, the walls are coming down)

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A'right, could not be a kilz version but I normally call all shellac primers kilz... outta practice I suppose. Bin, whatever... point is a point.

EDIT : Actually I believe the product i've been using mostly the last few years is bullseye shellac. Sorta like jumping outta the truck and saying anyone wanna coke? Could mean pepsi, cocacola, sprite....

EDIT : HA! Talked to my Devoe guy this morning, I can get shellac in Kilz. Not that it matters but............
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I checked the msds, again, on original kilz.

I'll just call it "solvent based".
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[QUOTE=Joewho;214359]One thing I ran into on smoke damaged properties, is the smell remaining after paint. If the walls aren't removed and flooring isn't removed, there's no guarantee.[QUOTE]

It aint just the walls. Smoke goes everywhere.

Not to ride you even more Brushslinger but Bullseye is the water based sealer, BIN is the shellac. Both Zinnser.
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http://www.zinsser.com/product_detail.asp?ProductID=31

I stick my tounge out at you!

EDIT : Actually, while I was searching.. this guy has a fantasic article on primers.

http://www.masterhandyman.com/printc...bdate=20021130
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I used to to work for a guy that did a lot of smoke/water damaged properties. He would use Microban (excellent product), dried it out with fans, then we would come back and apply a full coat of shellac. Microban is hard to find, but a great product. We are using it on a mold problem we have on a job now followed with shellac. There is also another product he currently uses called "unsmoke". You'd have to do a search to find out more about it, but if he uses it, it must work and it must be good. He's the most reputable remodeler in town.
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I stick my tounge out at you!


Well, guess they have a shellac
My bad

...seriously, you don't use that as a primer/sealer though?

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