E-myth Revisited....wow Am I Overwhelmed!!

lornmastro

just finished e-myth revisited....i thought it was a fabulous book....and i realized that i made sarah the pie shop owner look good...real good....lol....also went to a seminar that spoke about e-myth theories and putting together a successful business and the business owner who ran it said it changed his operation from a 2 person operation to a 100 person operation in about 8 yrs....soo i know i'm definitely in need of implementing e-myth into the business....the process just seems sooo overwhelming/confusing....and i have about a million questions! but for now i'll just keep the questions to a few. 1)how many of you have implemented emyth into your business and how has it effected your business?? 2) would the book emyth contractors give me more examples, as a contractors so I can figure out how to implement it into my business?? 3) the part of the operational manual that indicates how to do everything that is involved in painting a room...so for instance do you have a check list...when painting a wall...spackle wall, sand wall, prime spackled spots, paint wall with a bla bla roller.....??? 4) where did you start this process and does e-myth sell something to walk you thru this process?? they fellow at the seminar said it is like eating an elephant...you have to take one bite at a time...to me right now..i feel like i've got 20 really big elephants to eat!!!

ProWallGuy

1. Yes, slowly but surely I have been implementing systems into the business. Hardest part about that is getting employees/yourself to religiously follow it, time after time until it becomes second nature.
2. Yeah, get the contractor version. Its only a couple bucks at amazon. Basically the same info, but more examples that may be easier to relate to.
3. Yes, build a system for every task. Every room is done like this:
Step 1 ***
Step 2 ***
etc etc
Another great book on this is called System Buster, by Phillip Beyer (also available at amazon). Or, another member here who goes by the name of "Brian" is Brian Phillips, and he has created systems for paint contractors. Check out his website, Out of the Bucket.
4. As I said above, I started with the simpler things, like creating a system for when a customer calls for an estimate. It is a system, but I also see it as a flow chart.
Customer calls, says they want an estimate.
Do they qualify as a customer? Yes, proceed to asking these specific questions. No, then say no thanks, or refer them to another company.
After the estimate, this form is filled out and filed here, every time. And so on, and so on.
And yes, Michael Gerber sells some sort of E-myth process, but can't recall what it was. Check out their website.

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Alkyd

I have been using e-myth principles for the last four years. I have a coach who is great and knows my business inside and out. I bounce major decisions off him constantly. I'm a slow learner I guess, the past three years he has told me to get out of the bucket, but being a painter and not a enterpenuer all these years has make it hard. Finally in 2006 in decided to hang up my whites and work on the business. Best decision I have ever made. Especially when I could not answer the following questions 1) Could you go on vacation and not have the business closed down temporially 2) what if I ever got hurt and could not work 3) What was I going to do when I got to old to climb ladders. Right now, my main objective is to keep the funnel full. I'm constantly working on developing system. From incoming calls too job satifaction questionaire. I have developed a job site manuel which foremans have so the can systemacially go through any job from wallpaper removal to outside trim painting. The manuel is how we do it at my company. Worker seem to like it because they know just what to do for any job just follow the steps.

If you don't have a coach I suggest you get one, mine is priceless. Thanks Robert

slickshift

I've been using the "systems" for a lot longer than I've heard of the book
When I read the book, it blew me away how many things I already did, wholly or partially
But of course, I was amazed at what else I could use them for, and how far I could take it
Yes
It's also shorter
Yup
Hmmm...well, I found I had been using many of the ideas in the book anyway
It wasn't tough for me to add a few or one at a time
It was kind of natural for me

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lornmastro

thanks for all you advice....emyth contractors is on its way and i'm beginning to take bites out of elephant #1..lol...thanks proguy ...also checked out ,out of the bucket thanks for the heads up, it was soooo great to get to see what should be in a manual and an example of a couple of its pages....i'm considering purchasing one or both of his operation manuals. robert ...might sound like a stupid question but how do you find a good business coach?? john how about you...i bet you would be a great business coach?? or maybe i'll just scream out my front door...business coach...business coach where are you??i think another bite i need to take is to start networking with other business owners....so much to do sooo little time...have a great 4th!!!

ProWallGuy

Best idea so far. Join the PDCA and hit the chapter meetings.
Networking is where its at.

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Alkyd

Actually I had my coach contact me years ago and have used him every since. E-myth has certified coaches. Check out the web or contact the addresses given in the e-myth books for list of cert. coaches Robert

Double-A

One thing I'll add is to critique your systems.

Once you have written them down go over them. Ask yourself if there is a better, faster, or safer way to do this, for each step.

A silly example might be;

• Turn left.
• Turn left again.
• Turn left again.

Instead of three left turns, why not make just one right turn?

The easiest way to critique your systems is to find your inner three-year-old and ask, "Why? Why am I doing this step? Why am I doing this step this way?"

I'll pick on PWG's system.

He files a piece of paper for each estimate contact that he has qualified as a 'customer'. Why write it down? Why not do this in the computer, save the paper, file space and time and just type the information instead of hand-write it? Why am I keeping this information anyway?

Systems are great for keeping things as simple as they can be, and knowing why you do things the way you do them.

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Brushslingers

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Woz the Painter

E-Myth=Bull*****...

slickshift

Thanks for your informed opinion

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slickshift

I wouldn't call the E-Myth a sales-motivational book, but that makes me think of Matt Foley from SNL, so maybe I'm wrong on that
Still, you really should read it before calling BS on it

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Woz the Painter

I will call it Bs even if I don't read it, why does everyone have to follow like sheep when someone on this site says, oh I read this killer book on how you can make water into wine, Slick if you don't like my opinions, just ban me from the site, I didn't think you were such a Neocon, but I must have been wrong....

Jon F

Personally, I found it to be the most practical biz book I've ever read. I agree, lots of sales/biz books regurj the same material over and over, but for me, emyth opened my eyes to new ideas creating an endgame. Can you offer better advice Woz? I'm all ears.....give us your recipe for success.

slickshift

OK, that's fine
I'm not going to stop you
I just don't understand how you can do that

Also:
That was not the question
The poster obviously enjoyed the book
There's no reason for your reply in this thread except to antagonize
No-one says everyone on the site has to read or agree with any book
It's just that some people obviously have read this one, followed the advise to a certain extent, and it has helped them

That is definitely not the point of this site
You may have it's purpose wrong Woz
It is to discuss these things, not to follow like sheep

There is no banning for a difference of opinions...lol

If you had read the book, and still had that opinion, I wouldn't have said anything
In fact, I wish you had read it
I would like to hear your legitimate, learned, opinion on it
....I'm not blowing smoke here
Well, so far you've flame baited by posting an opinion (about a subject which you admittedly know nothing) that in no way answered the poster's question, and an opinion you knew people would disagree with

Begged for banning for a silly reason

And called me a name
(I have no idea what a Neocon is, but I'm assuming it's not a compliment)

Woz, I enjoy reading your replies and having you as a part of this site
But those are the acts of an "Internet troll"
(someone just trying to stir up trouble)
This is by no means a warning of any kind
(well, I should point out that personal attacks are not allowed-but I don't know what a Neocon is, nor does that bother me, so I won't complain about that)
I wouldn't consider, or be part of any effort to have you banned
I'm just laying it out there

If you want to start another thread saying E-Myth=BS and give your reasons, and have people who think it's BS post up why, please do
I'd love to read it

But this poster has legit questions about process' in the book, not whether or not it's a good business model

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George Z

Neocon is a Neoconservative.
Not a fair accusation as book burning is associated with that kind
of political thinking.
Encouraging reading a book, almost any book is not "neocon".

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lornmastro

woz....WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?!?! how can you sooo easily condem a FREE forum thats only purpose is to share, support and educate you and others in your field?? and before you soo visiously condemn something ,MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, you should educate yourself on the subject first. woz...get a life!!TOO many nasty pills that day woz??

Woz the Painter

lornmastro... I have replied to many of your querries about painting, I have been a painter for over 33 years, when you have the experience and knowledge of the hard knocks of over 3 decades, let me know. I don't need a book by someone who can only make money by selling [pushing a theory] to tell me how to run a businees, if you want to follow the sheep, KNOCK YOURSELF OFF...

Brushslingers

Hehe, don't you mean knock yourself out?

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lornmastro

33 yrs....that is truly wonderful....and i am soo happy that your way works for you and truly appreciate all the advice you and others have given me...and please if you have some advice on the best way to run a sucessful business please chime in we would all would love to hear it or if you have some constuctive critism on the theories in the emyth book please voice them would love to hear from both sides of the fence....oh ..oh yeh... thats right you've never read the book!!!!....but still feel you have the right to call it BS AND ATTACK SLICK WHEN HE CALLS YOU ON IT....woz, the attitude!!!!...WOW THE ATTITUDE!!! ITS TIME FOR YOU TO TAKE A CHILL PILL. and if most of those sheep HAVE EDUCATED THEMSELFS TO BECOME successful business people i will jump in line and knock myself OUT!!!