Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters!

Wild Blue · 11-09-2005, 07:02 PM

Ok where i live we dont have that great of selection of paints available to us.
Essentially we have Lowes, Home Depot and Walmart.

First off, lets take Sherwin Williams out of the picture. I also want to take Behr out of the picture because it is too heavy and we get alot of sagging on walls from the weight of it. We also dont have a Benjamin Moore around here.

So these are the ones Id like you to rate if you can.

Lets use the basis of interior satin. If anyone has feedback on exterior paint on any of these brands I sure could use the advice as well.

Any addtl comments as to whyyou like or dislike is appreciated.

ok here we go - this is what I have to work with:

Please base on spreadability, hideability, quality of coverage, durability, esp how well it blends when cutting in, etc.

Glidden Evermore
America's Finest (Glidden)
Glidden Speed-wall
Glidden Ultra hide
Color Place (Walmart- made by sherwin williams)
Dutch-Boy
Kilz
Olympic
American Traditions

Please usa a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the highest and 1 the lowest.

This Im sure, will also help many other people as well.

Thanks so VERY much for your inputs, this will be a good thread for many!

dwbrooks · 11-09-2005, 07:25 PM

I recently used dutch boy, because thats what the general bought and he was supplying the paint. I was skeptical, but I gave it a try and actually thought it was pretty good. I later found out its made by sherwin williams, which made sense because its in the same can as the sherwin super paint easy pour can.

Anyway I've tried Glidden not sure exactly what kind but it was pretty watery. But otherwise just the dutch boy which I thought was pretty decent paint.

dwbrooks · 11-09-2005, 07:30 PM

Sorry I didnt see your scale.

Sherwin Duration Interior= 9
Sherwin Superpaint Interior+ 8
The Glidden interior I tried= 3
Dutch Boy Interior= 7

Wild Blue · 11-09-2005, 08:05 PM

Thanks for your reply !! Yes, glidden is awful watery, I wasnt impressed with the Evermore at all either. They used to make a line called Glidden Color which wasnt bad.

Thanks again!

nahudso · 11-10-2005, 12:03 AM

I once painted an ext. that the customer provided colorplace from WalMart and I was VERY skeptical using it, but I was really surprised at how good it was. It covered really well, had a good consistancy. I was pleased with the end result. Sure its not top of the line, but its not crap either. Haven't used it since, but wouldn't be opposed to it if I had to again.

Not a big fan of American Traditions, can't really put my finger on it, just dont like how it feels. It may be a good paint, I don't know, I just dont like it.

nahudso · 11-10-2005, 12:05 AM

Also don't like Kilz paint, they need to stick to primer.

slickshift · 11-10-2005, 04:16 PM

Listen, I'm really not trying to be a paint snob here
But I don't like any of those paints (that I've tried)
I think you really need to go to a real paint shop that sells real paint

Glidden Evermore ...1
America's Finest (Glidden)....1
Glidden Speed-wall...haven't used, and won't-see other Glidden ratings
Glidden Ultra hide...1
Color Place (Walmart- made by sherwin williams)...1
Dutch-Boy...it's been so long I'm sure it's not fair to compare
Kilz...3
Olympic...3
American Traditions...1

As a general rule, Lowes, Wal*Mart, and Home Depot, are the worst places to purchase paint
They really carry products that cater to the DIYer and their "needs", not real painters whose painting product needs are very different

Ex:
Ever see those home improvement shows when they open the can of paint to "reveal" the color?
It better look like the chip in that can or Mr/Mrs DIYer will freak and return it
Does that make good paint?
No
Do we care what it looks like wet in the can?
No
We know to see what it looks like, spread it on something and dry it
Mr/Mrs DIYer don't get that

So....those products at those places are spec'd to their Average Customer and what their A C perceives as value
Most products at a Paint Shop are spec'd for profesional painters

donb1959 · 11-11-2005, 06:45 AM

Glidden Evermore 1
America's Finest (Glidden) 1
Glidden Speed-wall 2
Glidden Ultra hide 2
Color Place (Walmart- made by sherwin williams) 1
Dutch-Boy 1
Kilz 1
Olympic 2
American Traditions < 1

Take SW out of the equation...why?. SW has some of the best paints on the market today.

ElmForest · 11-11-2005, 06:13 PM

Rather than Glidden Evermore go withn Glidden Endurance. Your not going to find it at Home Cheapo. Consumer Reports top rated it and I used it on my exterior trim.

noreast05 · 11-11-2005, 06:41 PM

I'm with slickshift on this one. I don't paint but have seen enough of it spread on my projects. The low ball bids I have received in the past used all that crap paint you mention. I now only go with the pro's with a higher bid and high quality paint.

Where are the other pro's in your area buying paint? There must be something else around. Where there's a Home depot, a Lowes, and a Walmart there is definitely a high quality paint supplier. These big companies don't put themselves out in the middle of nowhere.

Drive to another town to find it if you have too. Go the extra mile it will show in your end product.

Bret · 11-11-2005, 11:51 PM

Each paint manufacturer has several grades or quality levels of paint, usually three. The bigger companies have even more, such as Sherwin Williams. Allthough there are alot of quality differences when comparing the same grade, ( apples to apples ), you usually get what you pay for.
One of the problems of comparing paint grades is the absence of the technical details of how they are made and what percentage of ingredients they contain. These are known as trade secrets.
I have never seen a real scientific comparison of paints. Consumer Reports has addressed this issue several times, but they allways seem to leave many products out of the test and focus on the major brands at discount retailers, many of which leave alot to be desired. The second beef I have with consumer reports is that one day they are testing toasters and laundry detergent and the next, paint. Anothwards, I dont think they are knowledgable enough to end up with accurate results.
Most of the paints you listed, I have never used, with the exception of two.
I was recently forced to use Gliddens, ICI brand SpeedWall. I can say that its the worst I have ever used. It doesnt even take a consistant tint between batches. Buy then again what can you expect for $8.00 a gallon. On the other hand Valspar's American Traditions is a very good brand to use, even though its sold through the discount store Lowe's. I believe it falls between Sherwin-Williams A-100 and Super Paint. Another good paint I've used is "Do It Best" sold by the hardware store of the same name. They're paints are manufactured by Sherwin Williams. They even carry some of their industrial line, like acrylic DTM.
I stick with Sherwin-Williams because they have so many different products for every application and I get professional service, field technical support for large jobs, free delivery on the job, and a large discount.
In closing, you get what you pay for. Stick with a paint supplier that sells a good quality paint and it turn you will be rewarded with volume discounts.

Bret

AAPaint · 11-12-2005, 01:24 AM

None of those are on the list of paints I use for a reason. I prommise my customers only the best, and those don't even register on the scale with the types of paints I use for the most part. The exception being those that are actually SW paints, which is what I stick to for exactly the same reasons Bret listed. I am starting to use BM more again now because a local store is giving me good support, and a good number of customers want that name no matter what. I still prefer my SW because I feel they are the true leader in paint technology today, and they offer an extremely diverse smorgassboard of paints and coatings systems for just about everything you can think of.

ElmForest · 11-12-2005, 08:50 PM

Quote:

The second beef I have with consumer reports is that one day they are testing toasters and laundry detergent and the next, paint. Anothwards, I dont think they are knowledgable enough to end up with accurate results.

I've been to C.R.'s facilities in Yonkers and I can tell you they're the real deal. They seperately test everything. In one test they exposed exterior stain to rain, sun, snow etc. for 5-10 years! They're staff consists of highly trained and educated, engineers & tradesmen. Their tests are unbiased and they do not accept advertising. It's true they often test the most popular brands but they also find the most reliable even if unpopular. That's why they recommended Glidden Endurance (not at box stores) over Glidden Evermore (crappy Home Depot stuff). You say you've never "seen a scientific comparison" . Well brother, C.R. has been running Scientific comparisons for nearly a century.
They will also be the first to tell you that where one brand's product is crap another of the same brand may be the best.

**Teetorbilt** · 11-12-2005, 09:13 PM

Elm, CR and other manufacturers have paint testing all over SoFL. It is not unusual to drive past a field of racks, all pointed south at an angle with 12" sq. tiles of paint samples attached to them. Most manufacturers do their homework, so does CR.

slickshift · 11-13-2005, 12:03 PM

I enjoy and support the CU and their magazine CR
They are full of interesting information
When they say that certain air filters spew more ozone then clean up the air I listen
When they say the new 28volt cordless drills melt their internals driving lag bolts I take note

They certainly do use the Scientific Method (note caps) for repeatable quantifiable tests and test results

However:
When I am buying a new computer I check the ratings from PC World, not CR
When buying a vehicle, I may see what CR says, but will defer to Car & Driver or Autoweek
When CR does not recommend any hammer drills (none!) because of the noise they make, I basically agree with them
For most Homeowners a hammer drill is not the right tool
But if you are building decks....you are going to need one

My point in regards to CRs paint testing is:

CR does not use professional painters, or professional painting criteria to evaluate paint

They certainly use a scientific method of evaluation, but look at the little boxes with the points they use to rate the products
There's maybe one or two testing areas out of seven (going from memory here) that mean anything to a professional painter
....and many other areas that are very important to me that aren't even touched

I find the CR test results interesting
And possibly from a homwowner's POV helpful
But I am not going to use them to spec product for me

**ProWallGuy** · 11-13-2005, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slickshift

I enjoy and support the CU and their magazine CR
They are full of interesting information
When they say that certain air filters spew more ozone then clean up the air I listen
When they say the new 28volt cordless drills melt their internals driving lag bolts I take note

They certainly do use the Scientific Method (note caps) for repeatable quantifiable tests and test results

However:
When I am buying a new computer I check the ratings from PC World, not CR
When buying a vehicle, I may see what CR says, but will defer to Car & Driver or Autoweek
When CR does not recommend any hammer drills (none!) because of the noise they make, I basically agree with them
For most Homeowners a hammer drill is not the right tool
But if you are building decks....you are going to need one

My point in regards to CRs paint testing is:

CR does not use professional painters, or professional painting criteria to evaluate paint

They certainly use a scientific method of evaluation, but look at the little boxes with the points they use to rate the products
There's maybe one or two testing areas out of seven (going from memory here) that mean anything to a professional painter
....and many other areas that are very important to me that aren't even touched

I find the CR test results interesting
And possibly from a homwowner's POV helpful
But I am not going to use them to spec product for me

Word.

Wallcoat Joe · 11-13-2005, 04:12 PM

Wild Blue, what area are you in that there are no paint stores?

Sam the Painter · 03-03-2008, 02:32 AM

First of all let me say I admire everyone that has responded to the initial question of paint quality, it has been quite enjoyable reading. Now let me express my personal experience with such paints. Let me first address the issue of "Price Point". As many painter know, painting is a suffering trade that shows its low's and its highs. At its low, you can barely make a living because of the undercutters and the starving painter. I remember days when you could charge 3.60+ a square foot for custom interior/exterior painting and people paid it, now, painters are competing with .20-1.00 a square foot prices. So, as with this in mind, now we can talk about what a quality paint is. Sure, I've used all the best, Sherwin Williams my personal favorite, loving their Super Paint line and Promar lines. Now, with the presence of competion in painting in mind, let's see how bad these other $8.00 a gallon paints really are? Painting, requires 2 coats under most situations no matter what paint you use, of course that depends on how dirty the surface was previous, the color, paint being used etc. So, with these factors in mind, how bad is America's Finest? Look, you have a guy that will paint a room for 100 bucks, you normally paint it for 300, because you buy quality paint and that's included in that price, 99 out of 100 times in today's economy the home owner is going to go with the 100 dollar room, and they will get Glidden, behr or Color Place, and.....the paint will last they save money, labor , bam job done. So let me say, brothers and sisters of the painting world, it is time to adjust, it is time to evolve with the economy of today, and start looking at the cheaper paints and start thinking, how much do I really want to make? or will I cling to my long lust of paint company. Guys, I just painting my entire house with America's Finest, cost me 80 bucks, 2 coated, looks sharp and it has a 12 year warranty, so Sherwin williams, Benjamin, and all the others can shove it with their outrageous prices, time to evolve painters, or you'll end up sitting on your couch and dreaming about the legend that you are in your own mind. Price point wins bids, period. Cheers.

PlainPainter · 03-03-2008, 07:15 AM

What's your zip code, I'll find something close by - do you have an ACE hardware store nearby?

MakDeco · 03-03-2008, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam the Painter

First of all let me say I admire everyone that has responded to the initial question of paint quality, it has been quite enjoyable reading. Now let me express my personal experience with such paints. Let me first address the issue of "Price Point". As many painter know, painting is a suffering trade that shows its low's and its highs. At its low, you can barely make a living because of the undercutters and the starving painter. I remember days when you could charge 3.60+ a square foot for custom interior/exterior painting and people paid it, now, painters are competing with .20-1.00 a square foot prices. So, as with this in mind, now we can talk about what a quality paint is. Sure, I've used all the best, Sherwin Williams my personal favorite, loving their Super Paint line and Promar lines. Now, with the presence of competion in painting in mind, let's see how bad these other $8.00 a gallon paints really are? Painting, requires 2 coats under most situations no matter what paint you use, of course that depends on how dirty the surface was previous, the color, paint being used etc. So, with these factors in mind, how bad is America's Finest? Look, you have a guy that will paint a room for 100 bucks, you normally paint it for 300, because you buy quality paint and that's included in that price, 99 out of 100 times in today's economy the home owner is going to go with the 100 dollar room, and they will get Glidden, behr or Color Place, and.....the paint will last they save money, labor , bam job done. So let me say, brothers and sisters of the painting world, it is time to adjust, it is time to evolve with the economy of today, and start looking at the cheaper paints and start thinking, how much do I really want to make? or will I cling to my long lust of paint company. Guys, I just painting my entire house with America's Finest, cost me 80 bucks, 2 coated, looks sharp and it has a 12 year warranty, so Sherwin williams, Benjamin, and all the others can shove it with their outrageous prices, time to evolve painters, or you'll end up sitting on your couch and dreaming about the legend that you are in your own mind. Price point wins bids, period. Cheers.

I agree with most of your post, all tho the biggest thing about "big Box" paint isn't always about the paint, its about service. You will never beat the small store service that as a "contractor" you will receive. Do you really want to be in line behind the the mother with her screaming kids in the stroller looking for paint to "do it herself" Anyway as for Americans Finest never used it so I can't comment either way, all though in the early 90's we used a lot of Gliddens Ultra hide but not sure thats around anymore. What was the price for it? 80 bucks sounds low unless you have a small house, actually I used mostly P&L and my price range is 16$ - 25$ depending on sheen. I use BM and C2 when it is spec and usually its high end jobs and those people are usually not hiring the low ballers.

One thing tho everything is going up when it comes to price paint, gas, food, sundries, insurance and so its not always just the paint cost that drives up our prices.

11-09-2005, 07:02 PM	#1
Wild Blue View Profile Wild Blue New Guy Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (21) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity New Guy Trade: Painting Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 21	Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! Ok where i live we dont have that great of selection of paints available to us. Essentially we have Lowes, Home Depot and Walmart. First off, lets take Sherwin Williams out of the picture. I also want to take Behr out of the picture because it is too heavy and we get alot of sagging on walls from the weight of it. We also dont have a Benjamin Moore around here. So these are the ones Id like you to rate if you can. Lets use the basis of interior satin. If anyone has feedback on exterior paint on any of these brands I sure could use the advice as well. Any addtl comments as to whyyou like or dislike is appreciated. ok here we go - this is what I have to work with: Please base on spreadability, hideability, quality of coverage, durability, esp how well it blends when cutting in, etc. Glidden Evermore America's Finest (Glidden) Glidden Speed-wall Glidden Ultra hide Color Place (Walmart- made by sherwin williams) Dutch-Boy Kilz Olympic American Traditions Please usa a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the highest and 1 the lowest. This Im sure, will also help many other people as well. Thanks so VERY much for your inputs, this will be a good thread for many!

11-09-2005, 07:25 PM	#2
dwbrooks View Profile dwbrooks Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (67) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Member Trade: Painting Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 67	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! I recently used dutch boy, because thats what the general bought and he was supplying the paint. I was skeptical, but I gave it a try and actually thought it was pretty good. I later found out its made by sherwin williams, which made sense because its in the same can as the sherwin super paint easy pour can. Anyway I've tried Glidden not sure exactly what kind but it was pretty watery. But otherwise just the dutch boy which I thought was pretty decent paint.

11-09-2005, 07:30 PM	#3
dwbrooks View Profile dwbrooks Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (67) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Member Trade: Painting Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 67	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! Sorry I didnt see your scale. Sherwin Duration Interior= 9 Sherwin Superpaint Interior+ 8 The Glidden interior I tried= 3 Dutch Boy Interior= 7

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Wild Blue View Profile Wild Blue New Guy Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (21) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity New Guy Trade: Painting Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 21	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! Thanks for your reply !! Yes, glidden is awful watery, I wasnt impressed with the Evermore at all either. They used to make a line called Glidden Color which wasnt bad. Thanks again!

11-10-2005, 12:03 AM	#5
nahudso View Profile nahudso Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (36) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Member Trade: Paint Contractor Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Jonesboro Arkansas Posts: 36	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! I once painted an ext. that the customer provided colorplace from WalMart and I was VERY skeptical using it, but I was really surprised at how good it was. It covered really well, had a good consistancy. I was pleased with the end result. Sure its not top of the line, but its not crap either. Haven't used it since, but wouldn't be opposed to it if I had to again. Not a big fan of American Traditions, can't really put my finger on it, just dont like how it feels. It may be a good paint, I don't know, I just dont like it.

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11-10-2005, 12:05 AM	#6
nahudso View Profile nahudso Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (36) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Member Trade: Paint Contractor Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Jonesboro Arkansas Posts: 36	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! Also don't like Kilz paint, they need to stick to primer.

11-10-2005, 04:16 PM	#7
slickshift View Profile slickshift ...jammin Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (5,235) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity ...jammin Trade: Rock Disciple Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cape Cod, Massachusetts Posts: 5,235	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! Listen, I'm really not trying to be a paint snob here But I don't like any of those paints (that I've tried) I think you really need to go to a real paint shop that sells real paint Glidden Evermore ...1 America's Finest (Glidden)....1 Glidden Speed-wall...haven't used, and won't-see other Glidden ratings Glidden Ultra hide...1 Color Place (Walmart- made by sherwin williams)...1 Dutch-Boy...it's been so long I'm sure it's not fair to compare Kilz...3 Olympic...3 American Traditions...1 As a general rule, Lowes, Wal*Mart, and Home Depot, are the worst places to purchase paint They really carry products that cater to the DIYer and their "needs", not real painters whose painting product needs are very different Ex: Ever see those home improvement shows when they open the can of paint to "reveal" the color? It better look like the chip in that can or Mr/Mrs DIYer will freak and return it Does that make good paint? No Do we care what it looks like wet in the can? No We know to see what it looks like, spread it on something and dry it Mr/Mrs DIYer don't get that So....those products at those places are spec'd to their Average Customer and what their A C perceives as value Most products at a Paint Shop are spec'd for profesional painters

11-11-2005, 06:45 AM	#8
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11-11-2005, 06:13 PM	#9
ElmForest View Profile ElmForest Journeyman Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (29) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Journeyman Trade: Carpenter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Claverack, NY Posts: 29	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! Rather than Glidden Evermore go withn Glidden Endurance. Your not going to find it at Home Cheapo. Consumer Reports top rated it and I used it on my exterior trim.

11-11-2005, 06:41 PM	#10
noreast05 View Profile noreast05 Carpe Diem Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (206) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Carpe Diem Trade: Remodeling/ General Contractor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 206	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! I'm with slickshift on this one. I don't paint but have seen enough of it spread on my projects. The low ball bids I have received in the past used all that crap paint you mention. I now only go with the pro's with a higher bid and high quality paint. Where are the other pro's in your area buying paint? There must be something else around. Where there's a Home depot, a Lowes, and a Walmart there is definitely a high quality paint supplier. These big companies don't put themselves out in the middle of nowhere. Drive to another town to find it if you have too. Go the extra mile it will show in your end product.

11-11-2005, 11:51 PM	#11
Bret View Profile Bret Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (40) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Member Trade: restorations Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 40	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! Each paint manufacturer has several grades or quality levels of paint, usually three. The bigger companies have even more, such as Sherwin Williams. Allthough there are alot of quality differences when comparing the same grade, ( apples to apples ), you usually get what you pay for. One of the problems of comparing paint grades is the absence of the technical details of how they are made and what percentage of ingredients they contain. These are known as trade secrets. I have never seen a real scientific comparison of paints. Consumer Reports has addressed this issue several times, but they allways seem to leave many products out of the test and focus on the major brands at discount retailers, many of which leave alot to be desired. The second beef I have with consumer reports is that one day they are testing toasters and laundry detergent and the next, paint. Anothwards, I dont think they are knowledgable enough to end up with accurate results. Most of the paints you listed, I have never used, with the exception of two. I was recently forced to use Gliddens, ICI brand SpeedWall. I can say that its the worst I have ever used. It doesnt even take a consistant tint between batches. Buy then again what can you expect for $8.00 a gallon. On the other hand Valspar's American Traditions is a very good brand to use, even though its sold through the discount store Lowe's. I believe it falls between Sherwin-Williams A-100 and Super Paint. Another good paint I've used is "Do It Best" sold by the hardware store of the same name. They're paints are manufactured by Sherwin Williams. They even carry some of their industrial line, like acrylic DTM. I stick with Sherwin-Williams because they have so many different products for every application and I get professional service, field technical support for large jobs, free delivery on the job, and a large discount. In closing, you get what you pay for. Stick with a paint supplier that sells a good quality paint and it turn you will be rewarded with volume discounts. Bret

11-12-2005, 09:13 PM	#14
Teetorbilt View Profile Teetorbilt Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (10,475) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: Residential Contractor Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Jensen Beach, FL Posts: 10,475	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! Elm, CR and other manufacturers have paint testing all over SoFL. It is not unusual to drive past a field of racks, all pointed south at an angle with 12" sq. tiles of paint samples attached to them. Most manufacturers do their homework, so does CR. __________________ You can't solve you're problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems. Albert Einstein

11-13-2005, 12:03 PM	#15
slickshift View Profile slickshift ...jammin Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (5,235) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity ...jammin Trade: Rock Disciple Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cape Cod, Massachusetts Posts: 5,235	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! I enjoy and support the CU and their magazine CR They are full of interesting information When they say that certain air filters spew more ozone then clean up the air I listen When they say the new 28volt cordless drills melt their internals driving lag bolts I take note They certainly do use the Scientific Method (note caps) for repeatable quantifiable tests and test results However: When I am buying a new computer I check the ratings from PC World, not CR When buying a vehicle, I may see what CR says, but will defer to Car & Driver or Autoweek When CR does not recommend any hammer drills (none!) because of the noise they make, I basically agree with them For most Homeowners a hammer drill is not the right tool But if you are building decks....you are going to need one My point in regards to CRs paint testing is: CR does not use professional painters, or professional painting criteria to evaluate paint They certainly use a scientific method of evaluation, but look at the little boxes with the points they use to rate the products There's maybe one or two testing areas out of seven (going from memory here) that mean anything to a professional painter ....and many other areas that are very important to me that aren't even touched I find the CR test results interesting And possibly from a homwowner's POV helpful But I am not going to use them to spec product for me

11-13-2005, 04:12 PM	#17
Wallcoat Joe View Profile Wallcoat Joe Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (37) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Member Trade: Architectural coatings Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando Fl. Posts: 37	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! Wild Blue, what area are you in that there are no paint stores?

03-03-2008, 02:32 AM	#18
Sam the Painter View Profile Sam the Painter Registered User Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (3) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Registered User Trade: Custom Interior/ Exterior Painter Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! First of all let me say I admire everyone that has responded to the initial question of paint quality, it has been quite enjoyable reading. Now let me express my personal experience with such paints. Let me first address the issue of "Price Point". As many painter know, painting is a suffering trade that shows its low's and its highs. At its low, you can barely make a living because of the undercutters and the starving painter. I remember days when you could charge 3.60+ a square foot for custom interior/exterior painting and people paid it, now, painters are competing with .20-1.00 a square foot prices. So, as with this in mind, now we can talk about what a quality paint is. Sure, I've used all the best, Sherwin Williams my personal favorite, loving their Super Paint line and Promar lines. Now, with the presence of competion in painting in mind, let's see how bad these other $8.00 a gallon paints really are? Painting, requires 2 coats under most situations no matter what paint you use, of course that depends on how dirty the surface was previous, the color, paint being used etc. So, with these factors in mind, how bad is America's Finest? Look, you have a guy that will paint a room for 100 bucks, you normally paint it for 300, because you buy quality paint and that's included in that price, 99 out of 100 times in today's economy the home owner is going to go with the 100 dollar room, and they will get Glidden, behr or Color Place, and.....the paint will last they save money, labor , bam job done. So let me say, brothers and sisters of the painting world, it is time to adjust, it is time to evolve with the economy of today, and start looking at the cheaper paints and start thinking, how much do I really want to make? or will I cling to my long lust of paint company. Guys, I just painting my entire house with America's Finest, cost me 80 bucks, 2 coated, looks sharp and it has a 12 year warranty, so Sherwin williams, Benjamin, and all the others can shove it with their outrageous prices, time to evolve painters, or you'll end up sitting on your couch and dreaming about the legend that you are in your own mind. Price point wins bids, period. Cheers.

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03-03-2008, 07:15 AM	#19
PlainPainter View Profile PlainPainter Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (431) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 431	Re: Can You Rate These Paints? Helpful For MANY Painters! What's your zip code, I'll find something close by - do you have an ACE hardware store nearby?