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Old 09-06-2017, 05:47 PM   #1
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Ok, here is my problem for the day:

I am rehabbing some units.
One of my tasks is to paint them back to standard colors. (they are now very vibrant colors... like a clown's underwear)

They pay me by the coat, and are complaining about the cost.
I've been using kilz MAX followed by 2 coats of their paint (Ben moore).
It still flashes through and I end up putting another coat or two.

Is there a better primer with he following criteria:
Must be water clean-up
Must be available at Home Depot.. (they supply the primer, and only have credit at home depot)
Cost isn't a factor
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Old 09-06-2017, 05:58 PM   #2
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Which Ben Moore paint are you using?

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They pay me by the coat, and are complaining about the cost.

Cost isn't a factor
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I'm pretty sure it's Super Spec. I don't recall for certain.. They supply that too.
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I'm pretty sure it's Super Spec. I don't recall for certain.. They supply that too.
No wonder.

Instead of priming, you could do it all in two coats of behr ultra since they're so hung up on HD.
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Or..if they're hung up on the Super Spec....and you don't want to rock the boat....use Behr ultra tinted as your primer coat. (When I say tinted, I mean color match to your finish coat)

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I agree with MarkJames, even though I hate all things Behr. They're spending as much on cheap paint and expensive primer as they would with a better hiding paint. I was going to suggest tinting the primer but it will really be more cost effective to use the best hiding paint they can get and save a coats worth of labor.
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I agree with MarkJames, even though I hate all things Behr. They're spending as much on cheap paint and expensive primer as they would with a better hiding paint. I was going to suggest tinting the primer but it will really be more cost effective to use the best hiding paint they can get and save a coats worth of labor.
I know that, but you can't get them to change. I had to show them specifically that 2 coats of Ben Moore wouldn't cover. They assured me it would. I had to actually paint 2 coats (on a small section) to prove to them it wouldn't. Went a far as to paint a 3rd... just to show them it still wouldn't cover. That's how I convinced them that it needed primer.

I'm going to try Behr ultra tinted and see how that goes. I can convince them that it's a special primer. LOL
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I know that, but you can't get them to change. I had to show them specifically that 2 coats of Ben Moore wouldn't cover. They assured me it would. I had to actually paint 2 coats (on a small section) to prove to them it wouldn't. Went a far as to paint a 3rd... just to show them it still wouldn't cover. That's how I convinced them that it needed primer.

I'm going to try Behr ultra tinted and see how that goes. I can convince them that it's a special primer. LOL

Huh?
If you're paid by the coat why are you trying to convince them of anything. If they want you to paint Benjamin Moore all day just paint Benjamin Moore even if it needs seven coats, you'll get rich. They obviously don't want to take your advice. If they want to tell you how when why and where to do it then you're an employee... follow their directions.
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paints get worse and worse every year. You might stand a chance of two top coats with BM Classic or select.
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I know that, but you can't get them to change. I had to show them specifically that 2 coats of Ben Moore wouldn't cover. They assured me it would. I had to actually paint 2 coats (on a small section) to prove to them it wouldn't. Went a far as to paint a 3rd... just to show them it still wouldn't cover. That's how I convinced them that it needed primer.

I'm going to try Behr ultra tinted and see how that goes. I can convince them that it's a special primer. LOL
Ben Moore Aura would most likely cover well in two coats. I wouldn't accept the position they are putting you in. Either let me specify materials or be quiet when your selections cause more work and cost. It sounds like you are accepting responsibility for their selections. This is also why I almost never worked T&M. Too much penny pinching and second guessing.
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I know that, but you can't get them to change. I had to show them specifically that 2 coats of Ben Moore wouldn't cover. They assured me it would. I had to actually paint 2 coats (on a small section) to prove to them it wouldn't. Went a far as to paint a 3rd... just to show them it still wouldn't cover. That's how I convinced them that it needed primer.

I'm going to try Behr ultra tinted and see how that goes. I can convince them that it's a special primer. LOL
I'm assuming that you're really not a professional painter and you're taking directions from people whom also aren't professional painters. So both are trying to convince the other but neither have a clue.
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Ehat kind of nap are you using? The right one will make a difference.

Super spec is mediocre.

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You need to get your azz a mil thickness gauge. There is absolutely no reason for 4 coats of anything. Stop dry rolling, and put that crap on thick and let it dry overnight between coats.

3 coats is the absolute max for an extreme color change. Especially if your using killz primer. If your wanting to speed up, use oil that has a faster recoat time.
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I'm assuming that you're really not a professional painter and you're taking directions from people whom also aren't professional painters. So both are trying to convince the other but neither have a clue.
Am indeed a pro. The job encompasses way more than just paint. The paint pays the least. I know they have no damn clue, but they are banking on the many years of their drunken maintenance men over me.
If I balk too much, they move on to the other guy.

I make a ton of $$ doing the other work, but have to do the paint as well.. to keep the other work. There is no way in hell I'd charge what I charge for the paint alone.
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3 coats is the absolute max for an extreme color change. Especially if your using killz primer. If your wanting to speed up, use oil that has a faster recoat time.
Teach me.. kilz max then 2 coats of ben moore SS. It bleeds bad. Much thicker, and it drips. What's the trick?

Customer doesn't want oil based....They don't like the smell.
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Super spec is mediocre.

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Huh?
If you're paid by the coat why are you trying to convince them of anything. If they want you to paint Benjamin Moore all day just paint Benjamin Moore even if it needs seven coats, you'll get rich. They obviously don't want to take your advice. If they want to tell you how when why and where to do it then you're an employee... follow their directions.
Because the money comes with the repairs and prep. They don't pay much for the actual paint work. I make alot of money with them and all the other work.

SO, if they start getting snippy about it taking too many coats, they move on to the next guy.
I lose the other work and money as well.
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Teach me.. kilz max then 2 coats of ben moore SS. It bleeds bad. Much thicker, and it drips. What's the trick?

Customer doesn't want oil based....They don't like the smell.
Driftweed is a spray rig guy. You can spray a wicked thick coat.
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Because the money comes with the repairs and prep. They don't pay much for the actual paint work. I make alot of money with them and all the other work.

SO, if they start getting snippy about it taking too many coats, they move on to the next guy.
I lose the other work and money as well.
You might want to consider that you can only present them with reality... you can't control what they're going to do with it... part of being the pro is knowing when to tell them when they're working against themselves and why...

You've been given ample reasons and path's forward... instead of twisting yourself in knots with fear of "what if's", do yourself and your customer a favor and make a decision and move forward... the more you sit on it, the less they have reason to trust your opinion on it and feed into their reason to open up the opportunity to use someone else...

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