Behr Premium Plus

Artistic77 · 11-03-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I got a mailer from Consumer Reports with some quick facts on it. One of the "facts" was that they rated Behr Premium Plus as the #1 Paint in Qulity and Price.

I don't know about you but I couldn't disagree more.
Does anyone know how they rate products?

I don't know what problems you are talking about. I've been using Behr Paint for 15 years. I spend about $100k each year just on the purchasing of the paint for my jobs. I mainly use Behr Premium plus interior & exterior Paints on most of my jobs. Hundreds of paint jobs a year. Not one time did I ever have a single issue with coverage, workability, color match, durability or fading. In fact, I've done touch ups on jobs that I painted as far back as 10 years ago and the paint has blended in perfectly. Other Brands suck. The rare occasions that I have been spec'd to use Valspar's American Traditions, any Sherwin-Williams product, or Benjamin Moore paints, I've had nothing but problems with fading, durablity & coverage. When I hire new painters whom have been used to "contractor grade" paint brands like Sherwin-Williams, it takes about a week to win them over to Behr. Now that Behr has their new Ultra Premium Plus line, self priming and nano guard, I've gone to heaven. I can lightly sand kitchen cabinets and get better adhesion and coverage than if I used Kilz first. Unbelievablely great product. It's worth the extra $10.00. When I talk to most contractors about paint, the main reason they wont use Behr Paint is snobbery!! It's beneath them. They dont want to buy paint at Home depot! Guess what? Home Depot carries the top brands on the market: Pella Windows, Hilti Power Tools, LG appliances & Behr Paint! Do the research!

Artistic77 · 11-03-2009, 11:22 PM

First of all Kilz from walmart is just cheaper Behr paint, Behr owns Kilz, duh. Secondly, most home owners are so used to poor durability from other paint brands, they use higher sheens like satin or semi-gloss (which are trim paints, not made for wall applications) on their walls. By the way, Designers consider that to be trailer park. After doing literally thousands of paint jobs using around $million dollars worth of Behr paint over a 16 year period, I couldnt disagree with you more. It is far superior to any product out there. Behr Ultra is even better!!!!

**angus242** · 11-03-2009, 11:31 PM

Artistic, ease up on the "submit" button. You posted the exact same thing 3 times.

Now, if you're happy with Behr, fine. However, I would say that the opinions of the majority of the other professional painters on here are valid. It's not some conspiracy against Behr, just most pro painters don't like it. You're obviously an exception.

nEighter · 11-04-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Artistic77

First of all Kilz from walmart is just cheaper Behr paint, Behr owns Kilz, duh. Secondly, most home owners are so used to poor durability from other paint brands, they use higher sheens like satin or semi-gloss (which are trim paints, not made for wall applications) on their walls. By the way, Designers consider that to be trailer park. After doing literally thousands of paint jobs using around $million dollars worth of Behr paint over a 16 year period, I couldnt disagree with you more. It is far superior to any product out there. Behr Ultra is even better!!!!

you smoking something man? Seriously? You a shill for the Behr paint company? Why would EVERY professional who has ever tried behr think otherwise? Oh and their ultra line sucks fat donkey cock. Oh sure it is great if you want to coat a substrate 3-4 times what you can get in a pro line/brand with 1 MAYBE 2..

chris n · 11-04-2009, 06:27 AM

Smoking crack cocaine can produce a particularly aggressive paranoid behavior in users, which make them believe Behr and Kilz are the ultimate paint products

Kuba · 11-04-2009, 10:38 AM

when are people going to wake up and finally realize that big corporations are in bed with the media..

they spin their products to be the best regardless of whether they are or not..

personally, im tired of seeing posts like this...

I like SW & BM...

I havent found a BM product that is better than ProClassic for trim yet... so...

Each have their + and -

I might go to a dif source than SW, be cause i dont agree with the bull**** they are pulling (buying out all of their competition) - they give the small guys the same discount as any regular customer that asks for one.. THey deal in volume discounts now.. Before I use to get best prices out west from reps that fought for my business,, isnt like that anymore...

Thanks for the Duopolies =)

Workaholic · 11-05-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JumboJack

What is it with all the 3,4 and 5 year old posts popping up?????

Ancient post brought back by a Behr pusher

R.G. Barnes Co. · 12-01-2009, 11:59 PM

You said some very true statements. I personaly have used both Behr and SW pro. I have used Behr on many jobs that the customer requested Behr. Good primer under and it turns out very nice. These other contractors like to wear the SW brand and follow the herd to SW, but if you can actually paint, then Behr is just as good as the rest. Now if you were to say Dutch Boy or some other paint was good then I would have to call foul on that one.
To answer the question. No I am not a new painter. I have been painting for 18 years and my last job that I worked for someone else was in 1997. My fathers company that paints bridges. Cool Huh. Not really that cool.

chris n · 12-02-2009, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by R.G. Barnes Co.

You said some very true statements. I personaly have used both Behr and SW pro. I have used Behr on many jobs that the customer requested Behr. Good primer under and it turns out very nice. These other contractors like to wear the SW brand and follow the herd to SW, but if you can actually paint, then Behr is just as good as the rest. Now if you were to say Dutch Boy or some other paint was good then I would have to call foul on that one.
To answer the question. No I am not a new painter. I have been painting for 18 years and my last job that I worked for someone else was in 1997. My fathers company that paints bridges. Cool Huh. Not really that cool.

Smoking crack cocaine can produce a particularly aggressive paranoid behavior in users, which make them believe Behr and Kilz are the ultimate paint products

MarcD · 12-02-2009, 10:30 PM

HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE

worst paint ever. I just used it two weeks ago for the first time ever.

Was the worst paint I have ever rolled. Ace Hardware is better.

HO Chose a flat for main room walls, but the sheen was more like a satin. lap lines were impossible to hide no matter how we rolled or back rolled.

I saw this post and had to b and moan here.

Horrible I will never paint with this paint again it left such a bad taste in my mouth.

Builtmany · 12-08-2009, 11:22 PM

Recent College graduates or even students do their tests. Last week it was toasters then microwaves and now on to paint. They are not professionals or experts on anything. No pro painter would use Behr. Even if it was free it would most likely still find it's way to the garbage pile.

747 · 12-09-2009, 04:17 AM

Here is the bottomline. Behr is promoted heavily on home improvement shows. People see them using it and its like must be the best. In reality SW or BM. Primer bullseye and bathroom zinsser permawhite or bm kitchen and bath. For the record i learned that here at the board.

Slickshift is who i consult before painting.

Ps. Zinsser bulleyes is the best primer hands down.

R.G. Barnes Co. · 12-09-2009, 01:01 PM

You all are funny. The claim that the Masiah himself made SW paints is to much for me to take seriously. I guess I am not a pro painter. That is ok, I have other atributes that my children will be proud of me claiming. I stated before I started this company for my son to build. I could care less what some (Pro Painter) claaed me personaly. "Crack smoking...". Look guys and Gals, I have owned many homes, some investment, some personal use. I have never bought a house that was painted by a Pro that did not have cut in lines that looked like Stevie Wonder did the job. I have called the police to one of my homes (new construction investment) because I found a meth baggie (mty) in the home. Boy they sure can paint nonstop for 2 days. I am in this business, or my son is, to make money, thats it. We have a very good reputation because we show up with clean unpaint splattered cloths (I buy in bulk and when the pants get to bad we throw them away. We paint the home with what the home owner wants (Ben Moore is my personal Fav, but I have used Behr). We consult on colors and work with the homeowner.
We do not hire drug addicts and trailer trash that claim to paint for a living. Those folks paint because they can't do anything else. You insult me, I insult you. I joined this forum to look up information and tricks of the trade. I get self proclaimed PRO PAINTERS. (that will get you a cup of coffee). Instead of Claiming SW as the holy grail of paint, OR FOR MOST OF YOU THAT OBAMA MAKES THE BEST PAINT, concentrate on the business of helping others, or not, I really do not care. I have found some good info on this site, but the PRO PAINTER attitude is to funny. I am not a PRO PAINTER, however, I do hold a Masters in Business Administration (MBA) and a Batchlors Degree in Structural Engineering. Those are PRO statures. How hard is it really to paint.
You all have a nice day

Look, if you are offended by my post, then suck it up and think before you all claim greatness. I think I can find better info elsewere.

JumboJack · 12-09-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by R.G. Barnes Co.

You all are funny. The claim that the Masiah himself made SW paints is to much for me to take seriously. I guess I am not a pro painter. That is ok, I have other atributes that my children will be proud of me claiming. I stated before I started this company for my son to build. I could care less what some (Pro Painter) claaed me personaly. "Crack smoking...". Look guys and Gals, I have owned many homes, some investment, some personal use. I have never bought a house that was painted by a Pro that did not have cut in lines that looked like Stevie Wonder did the job. I have called the police to one of my homes (new construction investment) because I found a meth baggie (mty) in the home. Boy they sure can paint nonstop for 2 days. I am in this business, or my son is, to make money, thats it. We have a very good reputation because we show up with clean unpaint splattered cloths (I buy in bulk and when the pants get to bad we throw them away. We paint the home with what the home owner wants (Ben Moore is my personal Fav, but I have used Behr). We consult on colors and work with the homeowner.
We do not hire drug addicts and trailer trash that claim to paint for a living. Those folks paint because they can't do anything else. You insult me, I insult you. I joined this forum to look up information and tricks of the trade. I get self proclaimed PRO PAINTERS. (that will get you a cup of coffee). Instead of Claiming SW as the holy grail of paint, OR FOR MOST OF YOU THAT OBAMA MAKES THE BEST PAINT, concentrate on the business of helping others, or not, I really do not care. I have found some good info on this site, but the PRO PAINTER attitude is to funny. I am not a PRO PAINTER, however, I do hold a Masters in Business Administration (MBA) and a Batchlors Degree in Structural Engineering. Those are PRO statures. How hard is it really to paint.
You all have a nice day

Look, if you are offended by my post, then suck it up and think before you all claim greatness. I think I can find better info elsewere.

Um..Ok....

J F · 12-09-2009, 02:42 PM

CookeCarpentry · 12-09-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chris n

Smoking crack cocaine can produce a particularly aggressive paranoid behavior in users, which make them believe Behr and Kilz are the ultimate paint products

This sums it up best, again....

spdtrx · 12-09-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JumboJack

Um..Ok....

Quote:

Originally Posted by J F

Quote:

Originally Posted by CookeCarpentry

This sums it up best, again....

I'm spent.

BehrPro Support · 12-09-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcD

HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE

worst paint ever. I just used it two weeks ago for the first time ever.

Was the worst paint I have ever rolled. Ace Hardware is better.

HO Chose a flat for main room walls, but the sheen was more like a satin. lap lines were impossible to hide no matter how we rolled or back rolled.

I saw this post and had to b and moan here.

Horrible I will never paint with this paint again it left such a bad taste in my mouth.

MarcD, sorry to hear you didn’t have a good experience. I’d like to understand more about the product you were using and how we might be able to help? If it’s possible, please give us some more details on the specific product you used, name and number, the surface application and previous coat. I can take this information to our product team and look at possible application issues you might be having. It may be that the surface porosity has created an uneven sheen, causing the flashing/lap lines.

Duckwarrior · 12-12-2009, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ProWallGuy

Here is the post I referred to. It was written by Jim Parodi of NY and posted on the American Paperhanging Network.

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I just finished reading the Consumer Reports roundup of interior paints.
As usual it is written from the DIY perspective and offers little for
the professional. And as usual, I reject most of the criteria used to
judge these paints:

Major problem #1--- Once again CU only chooses the national brands. I
understand why, since it does the DIYer little good to get stoked about
a paint if they can't get it in their state. But the omission of great
regional brands is a fatal error and renders this seemingly
"comprehensive" roundup a complete failure. Maybe when they include
Coronado, Porter, Muralo, Touraine, and so many others it will be worth
a revisit.

Problem #2--- Would it be too obvious to point out that the most
important aspect in our superficial trade is "HOW DOES IT LOOK?" CU
spends a millisecond on this subject and cubbyholes this into "Does it
appear flatter than advertised or glossier than advertised." "Does it
go on smoothly" This is important to the DIYer because they are always
newbies. Pros are familiar with sheen levels after one or two jobs and
aren't surprised by sheen. "Brush glide" (smooth application) is nice,
but even if a paint is less user friendly, pros will usually find a way
around it---or ignore it completely if they think the finished product
is worth the extra effort.

Problem # 3- Hiding and Mildew Resistance are nice. But once again if
a paint gives a better appearance with two coats pros will use it.
(DIYers want a one coat so they can get back to football on TV.) And
scrubbability? CU does not even get into the newer "flat enamels" or
ceramics. Muralo Ultra Ceramic, Pratt &Lambert Accolade, Coronado Cerama
Gard are regional and therefore not mentioned.

Problem # 4-- Do the words "leveling", "flashing", "blocking", "edge
cling", "sagging", "enamel holdout", "recoat time", "cure time", mean
anything to you? Of course they do-you're a pro. They mean nothing to
a DIYer so CU completely ignores these ESSENTIAL paint qualities in
their review.

Problem # 5--- Such a bunch of paint yokels I haven't seen in recent
memory...Did anybody see the word PRIMER mentioned at all? Yes CU,
paint companies have these things that go on first and these things are
part of the "system" than can make or break a job. So with primers you
can tackle painting garbage painted atrium halls with uniform finish and
get good PROFESSIONAL results over patching compounds.

This review is a joke for the pro. Take it and send it to your DIY
relative.
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That all makes sense to me.

I am long since removed from the field but I noticed when doing work for HD that there were people coming out of the woodworks who had 'been doing home improvement, paint, etc. for years!' the reality was that due (for the most part) to the economy people were displaced from their original fields and -- unfortunately it brought out the worst in some of them.

Whenever myself, or anyone who worked for me was asked to refer someone, I made sure that they were made aware of that, although neither I or they never implicated anyone in a good or bad light.

And I also made it clear to customers as well as people working under me that BM, SW, Porter, etc. were great paints. At the end of the day, the average DIYer is looking for different things than you are. I believe Behr makes great products for that audience, although like every other company they have stronger and weaker products (maybe more or less than others). Unfortunately, people paint things in a broad brush, which is a lot of why you get jack and jill homeowner insisting on Behr thinking its the best and most cost effective, and while it may be in their hands, it certainly is not in your hands. They have valued your time at a much higher cost than theirs and have not factored in the properties of their materials to reflect the cost component of your labor. It is what it is.

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MarcD View Profile MarcD Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (132) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: Making Everyone Happy Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Omaha Ne Posts: 132	Re: Behr Premium Plus HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE worst paint ever. I just used it two weeks ago for the first time ever. Was the worst paint I have ever rolled. Ace Hardware is better. HO Chose a flat for main room walls, but the sheen was more like a satin. lap lines were impossible to hide no matter how we rolled or back rolled. I saw this post and had to b and moan here. Horrible I will never paint with this paint again it left such a bad taste in my mouth.

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12-09-2009, 01:01 PM	#53
R.G. Barnes Co. View Profile R.G. Barnes Co. Registered User Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (9) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Registered User Trade: Painter Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9	Re: Behr Premium Plus You all are funny. The claim that the Masiah himself made SW paints is to much for me to take seriously. I guess I am not a pro painter. That is ok, I have other atributes that my children will be proud of me claiming. I stated before I started this company for my son to build. I could care less what some (Pro Painter) claaed me personaly. "Crack smoking...". Look guys and Gals, I have owned many homes, some investment, some personal use. I have never bought a house that was painted by a Pro that did not have cut in lines that looked like Stevie Wonder did the job. I have called the police to one of my homes (new construction investment) because I found a meth baggie (mty) in the home. Boy they sure can paint nonstop for 2 days. I am in this business, or my son is, to make money, thats it. We have a very good reputation because we show up with clean unpaint splattered cloths (I buy in bulk and when the pants get to bad we throw them away. We paint the home with what the home owner wants (Ben Moore is my personal Fav, but I have used Behr). We consult on colors and work with the homeowner. We do not hire drug addicts and trailer trash that claim to paint for a living. Those folks paint because they can't do anything else. You insult me, I insult you. I joined this forum to look up information and tricks of the trade. I get self proclaimed PRO PAINTERS. (that will get you a cup of coffee). Instead of Claiming SW as the holy grail of paint, OR FOR MOST OF YOU THAT OBAMA MAKES THE BEST PAINT, concentrate on the business of helping others, or not, I really do not care. I have found some good info on this site, but the PRO PAINTER attitude is to funny. I am not a PRO PAINTER, however, I do hold a Masters in Business Administration (MBA) and a Batchlors Degree in Structural Engineering. Those are PRO statures. How hard is it really to paint. You all have a nice day Look, if you are offended by my post, then suck it up and think before you all claim greatness. I think I can find better info elsewere.

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